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#121 Shaman

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:21 PM

The "salary demands" are a rumor from the same site that said Datsyuk was leaving.  I'm just not going to get all bent out of shape about it.  I don't see Filppula returning, but all the anger over his "demands" is a bit over the top.  To my knowledge, none of the Red Wings beat writers have reported it.

The only two beat writers that are commonly quoted tend to keep away from this news. Khan because hes extra careful, and St James because shes just a terrible terrible writer.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:57 PM

The "salary demands" are a rumor from the same site that said Datsyuk was leaving.  I'm just not going to get all bent out of shape about it.  I don't see Filppula returning, but all the anger over his "demands" is a bit over the top.  To my knowledge, none of the Red Wings beat writers have reported it.

 

No, they aren't. It is true that the rumors of Datsyuk departing for the KHL came from a writer at Kukla's Korner. The quoted salary demands, however, do not come from any of the KK contributors; they were posted secondhand from Darren Dreger, who is generally a reliable source.

 

That said, Dreger only added the term that Filppula was looking for. Filppula's desired AAV salary was announced months ago by various sources.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 03:12 PM

If Flip goes to free agency and gets signed by another team I am going to be shaking my head at Holland for not trading his rights. At least get a 7th rounder. We have seen what we can do with late picks. The fact that at this time his rights haven't been traded leads me to believe Holland is still negotiating with Flip.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

If Flip goes to free agency and gets signed by another team I am going to be shaking my head at Holland for not trading his rights. At least get a 7th rounder. We have seen what we can do with late picks. The fact that at this time his rights haven't been traded leads me to believe Holland is still negotiating with Flip.

 

Yep.

 

Holland likely s*** the bed.  Flip was having a poor regular season, and from what I remember, there were indications he'd be asking for a bigger contract.  Teams were overpaying at the deadline, and we should have been all over that.  

 

I know the Wings were trying to make the playoffs themselves, but in the long term, Filppula should have been shipped.    


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:13 PM

Yep.
 
Holland likely s*** the bed.  Flip was having a poor regular season, and from what I remember, there were indications he'd be asking for a bigger contract.  Teams were overpaying at the deadline, and we should have been all over that.  
 
I know the Wings were trying to make the playoffs themselves, but in the long term, Filppula should have been shipped.


Keeping Filppula got us within 1 goal of having a serious chance at winning the cup. Hindsight is 20/20, but there is no way to say that Filppula should have been traded unless it was for a star.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:24 PM

I disagree that trading him at the deadline would have been a good thing.  Flip could have broken out last season.  Heaven knows we've been saying that for long enough.  There's also no guarantee that a star would have performed up to our expectations. 

 

He's just a little too good to trade for someone questionable, but a little too questionable to get us someone good.

 

That said, Flip just might like Calgary.  He'd be back with his little buddy-

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I fully expect his rights to be traded at the draft or him to be re-signed for a much more reasonable number.

 

He and his agent know the over-crowding situation in Detroit, and unless they figure that others will be gone before Flip, they have to know that their choices are to come down or go to free agency.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:27 PM

Keeping Filppula got us within 1 goal of having a serious chance at winning the cup. Hindsight is 20/20, but there is no way to say that Filppula should have been traded unless it was for a star.

Yeah, his one goal in the Chicago series when they were already up 3-1 in that game in the 3rd really was a difference maker. You can be almost as bad as Eva was.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:48 PM

Yeah, his one goal in the Chicago series when they were already up 3-1 in that game in the 3rd really was a difference maker. You can be almost as bad as Eva was.


Except he also scored the series winner against the Ducks and was a huge part of Nyquists OT winner in game 2 of that same series.

You don't "almost" beat the Hawks unless you get by the Ducks first.

Anyway, I hope Filpulla walks. It forces Holland to upgrade his top six with (hopefully) more of a shoot-first player. Also, although I didn't mind Valterri as a Red Wing, I think some of these kids coming up (Nyquist, Jarnkrok, Tatar, Jurco, etc) will replace Filpulla's offense and the team already has a great group of 2-way forwards.
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:04 PM

Yeah, his one goal in the Chicago series when they were already up 3-1 in that game in the 3rd really was a difference maker. You can be almost as bad as Eva was.

 

I'm of the opinion that Filppula had a terrible season and a poor postseason, but he did score the GWG against the Ducks. I agree that holding onto him was the right call.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:12 PM

Yeah, his one goal in the Chicago series when they were already up 3-1 in that game in the 3rd really was a difference maker. You can be almost as bad as Eva was.


Like rick zombo said, I was referring to his huge plays in the Ducks series. I recognize that he was very underwhelming in the Chicago series (like many of our players) and throughout the whole year. Which is why I, like everyone, don't think he should get a large payday from the Wings unless he proves himself with a short term contract with an extremely modest raise.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:29 AM

Yeah, his one goal in the Chicago series when they were already up 3-1 in that game in the 3rd really was a difference maker. You can be almost as bad as Eva was.Like rick zombo said, I was referring to his huge plays in the Ducks series. I recognize that he was very underwhelming in the Chicago series (like many of our players) and throughout the whole year. Which is why I, like everyone, don't think he should get a large payday from the Wings unless he proves himself with a short term contract with an extremely modest raise.


Less than one week to get something for him. I don't care if its 2 rounder (trade), or just a 3 or 4 rounder but at least get a draft pick for his rights. Streit got the Islanders a 4 so Filps should be in the same ballpark here.

Letting him walk for nothing would be stupid. Ask the Predators, Blues, Kings ...teams, that need offense and might not shy away from giving him a chance.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:39 PM

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Filppula's rights might be dealt

The Red Wings will attempt to trade Filppula's negotiating rights for a conditional draft pick this weekend if the sides remain far apart on a contract. They continue to talk, but it does not appear as if a deal will get done because Filppula has been seeking a long-term contract worth more than $5 million a season, more than the club is willing to give.

If Filppula isn't re-signed, the Red Wings would prefer to acquire a center to replace him. Stephen Weiss of Florida is a potential free-agent option.

 

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:05 PM

Um, like, BYE!


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:53 AM

Why do we have to acquire anyone?

Bye to Flips, Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.

That leaves:

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And 10+ million in the bank for a deadline pick up.

Weiss? Come on. He blows.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 03:08 AM

Why do we have to acquire anyone?

Bye to Flips, Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.

That leaves:

Z-Dats-Abdelkader
Brunner-Andersson-Nyquist
Tatar-Miller-Eaves
Tootoo-Emdog-Sheahan

And 10+ million in the bank for a deadline pick up.

Weiss? Come on. He blows.

 

So we'll finally be able to get that $40m/yr player we've all been waiting for?


Edited by Crymson, 25 June 2013 - 03:09 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:00 AM

Exactly. Too many people expect better results with the same roster.

When you have a ton of young players, you can pretty much expect to improve every year.
Whether filppula stays or goes, I don't think Holland needs to do much this offseason besides trimming the fat a bit

Why do we have to acquire anyone?

Bye to Flips, Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.

That leaves:

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And 10+ million in the bank for a deadline pick up.

Weiss? Come on. He blows.

I pretty much agree with this unless a player that fits our needs gets bought out. If that happens, we'll all be thankful for the $10 mill of cap space that wasn't spent on an overrated player like Clarkson

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 02:38 PM

$5.5M per for 7+ years?  Enjoy the KHL, Val.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 02:50 PM

 

I'm of the opinion that Filppula had a terrible season and a poor postseason, but he did score the GWG against the Ducks. I agree that holding onto him was the right call.

 

 

 

 

in the end we  didnt win the cup  ... trading filppula  for a 1st would of been the right call ... and before you say it yes im sure a top contending team would of traded a 1st for filppula who even though he struggled has cup winning experience and is a great 2 way player

 

that being said its been reported months ago he was seeking 5mill+ per year and we all been saying hes not coming back at that price , at that time holland should of done what was best for the team longterm and gotten us a 2nd 1st round pick


Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 25 June 2013 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 03:21 PM

$5.5M per for 7+ years?  Enjoy the KHL, Val.

I think that's just a number to start bargaining negotiations. I have always liked Filppula and thought he was much better than most people thought but just wasn't afforded the opportunity because we have similar players who have already established themselves and are better. Well he finally got that opportunity in 2011-12 and [and proved me right]. This year I think he was still not 100% from the injury suffered in Finland. He always used to be strong on the puck but this year seemed easy to knock down or off of the puck. But to come in with those numbers shows where his priority is and it's not winning. If those numbers are accurate the only way I would even consider him is if he were to apologize and fire his agent. Maybe he wants to get out of the shadows of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.
He won't have to go to the KHL, he will get close to that from someone. Hopefully we can get something for his rights.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:28 PM

in the end we  didnt win the cup  ... trading filppula  for a 1st would of been the right call ... and before you say it yes im sure a top contending team would of traded a 1st for filppula who even though he struggled has cup winning experience and is a great 2 way player


 

that being said its been reported months ago he was seeking 5mill+ per year and we all been saying hes not coming back at that price , at that time holland should of done what was best for the team longterm and gotten us a 2nd 1st round pick

 

So your argument is that because the team didn't win the Cup, Holland was stupid for not trading him. That doesn't have much basis, given that Holland cannot see the future. More, this team came only one goal away from the conference finals. The fact that the team performed so well in the playoffs vindicated his decision to keep Filppula, especially given that the latter set up one winning goal against Anaheim and scored another himself. 

 

Anyway, to the crux of your argument: there is not the faintest chance that Filppula, who was having a terrible season, would have drawn a 1st-round pick. He'd have garnered a 2nd, at best. For reference, Filppula finished the season ranked 198th in scoring amongst forwards.


Edited by Crymson, 25 June 2013 - 05:35 PM.






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