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#21 SpiritFan

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:53 AM

When they design the new building, I hope they remember to make the seats more "fan friendly". We're not all 50 pound 10 year old girls! I'm only 5'10" & my knees dig into the seat in front of me. And the fact that I am, how should I say it, a little "wide", it's a hell of a process even trying to grease myself up to try & slide into one of the seats at the Joe! Heck, my brother in law, who goes to some games with me, is of average hieght/build, and he has trouble fitting in the seats! Just a couple extra inches in seat width & a few more inches of leg room would make a trip to the Pizza Dome a lot more pleasant than the Joe. The seats in Saginaw at the Dow Event Center are perfect... wide enough for us big guys, and plenty of leg room. Granted, a much smaller arena, but they should be able to do it. I have been in other big arenas with wider seats/more legroom.

 

The Pizza Dome... lol... I am assuming this will be "Little Caesar's Arena" or something stupid... but what SHOULD the new arena be called (not a 'sponsor' name)? Wings Stadium?



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:22 AM

The reduction is seats is all about supply and demand. Reduce the supply to drive up the demand. They did the same thing with Tigers Stadium and Comerica Park. COPA seats about 12,000 fewer people. The higher demand allows for higher prices.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:34 AM

I was in that article, that's why I said I didn't like the idea of the reduce seating numbers.

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:59 AM

What do you guys think the new arena should be called? Please don't call it something after a business like Maxi Pad Arena or something haha

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:19 AM

Little Caesers Coliseum!

 

At least then, the Illitch's are just transferring money from one pocket to another. ;)

 

Whatever it ends up being, I don't want to see Amway Place © or Amway Arena © or anything with the word AMWAY in it.

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:47 AM

Agreed. I would love a hockey name, like the Howe. If not a person, then a cool nickname. Anything but a corporate name, please!

And the reduced seats might be because of the corporate boxes. Probably will be the same number of seats for us average folks.
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:20 PM

I have such mixed feelings about this.  I think that any rational citizen looking at this objectively would agree you shouldn't have publicly funded stadiums for billionaires, and a city as economically depressed as Detroit shouldn't have built THREE new stadiums in the span of 15 years.  There is no appreciable economic benefit to building a stadium, particularly where there was already a stadium in that area.  Studies have been done, and there just isn't any evidence to back it up.

 

All that being said, people who like the Red Wings (myself included) convince ourselves that we don't care.  Or, to look at another way, we DO care about the Red Wings more than we care about a museum renovation, lowering a budget deficit, or the $12 million diverted from education funds (my number/sources may be inaccurate, but you get the point). 

 

And as an out-of-state Red Wings fan, I actually felt guilty that I was happy about the new arena because it benefits me as a fan (though not one that gets back to many live games) without having having to pay the bill in the city I grew up around. 

 

I guess here's the thing with Detroit that keeps coming up: If not now, when?  If your argument against any new development or construction is always "wait till things get better?", has that wish ever really come true since, what, the '67 Riots?  You could argue there are certain way the city has gotten better since the 90's, but what they really mean is that city has done a better job becoming a Chuck E' Cheese's for adult suburbanites (casinos, Comerica, Ford Field, etc.).  JLA is old and would need to be replaced sooner or later, even if there wasn't an immediate threat (like an owner thinking about selling the team or moving it somewhere else).

 

Sorry, just rambling out loud.  I get frustrated when I go back home, see the busted out windows and 28% unemployment, and then have my family tell me how nice downtown is because there's a skating rink at Campus Martius now.  Most of my family has never moved more than 10 miles in their lifetime, and they don't know that it doesn't have to be like that.  Go Red Wings.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:30 PM

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:25 PM

If hockey arenas need less of something, it would be the damn business seats and more seats for the real fans.

 

Personally I am always shaking my head about such stuff. These guys are all billionaires and they want a new arena, fine go pay for it and leave the tax payers money alone for way more important things (education, safety, better enviroment).

 

As for the name I think should be something, like the Howe, Lidström, Illitch, Yzerman or Pasha arena just not a stupid sponsored name. Though my worries are very slim here, because the Wings are just too classy in order to do something like that.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:32 PM

They're keeping the famous springy boards right? 

 

Oh, all the bank passes Lidstrom made off of those boards...




 
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:50 PM

This place better be tops in the nhl or else id rather have the joe ten times out of ten.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:34 PM

Regarding the naming rights - I really could care less.  It was cool that JLA was named after a famous sports icon, but these things are damn expensive.  Naming rights are huge in sports, so as long as its a company that isn't embarrassing and still likely to be around in 10 years (in other words, not GoDaddy.com), I'm fine.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:08 PM

What do you guys think the new arena should be called? Please don't call it something after a business like Maxi Pad Arena or something haha


whatever company pays to get their name on it I really hope it's something like: "Joe Louis arena at (company name) stadium" or something. JLA is too classic to let go

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:20 PM

Any of you been to the JLC/Budweiser Gardens in London? I live here, have been to roughly 50 hockey games and 15 events, and I can honestly say I have NEVER had a bad seat, either in the 100's, boxes, 200's or 300's. I don't know how they did it, but if they could double the size (from our current 9 to the 18 or so) and keep the views, as well as have the way above average washroom ratio (seriously, it's actually noted about our arena), the new arena in Detroit would be the best, or rival the best in North America!

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

I have such mixed feelings about this.  I think that any rational citizen looking at this objectively would agree you shouldn't have publicly funded stadiums for billionaires, and a city as economically depressed as Detroit shouldn't have built THREE new stadiums in the span of 15 years.  There is no appreciable economic benefit to building a stadium, particularly where there was already a stadium in that area.  Studies have been done, and there just isn't any evidence to back it up.
 
All that being said, people who like the Red Wings (myself included) convince ourselves that we don't care.  Or, to look at another way, we DO care about the Red Wings more than we care about a museum renovation, lowering a budget deficit, or the $12 million diverted from education funds (my number/sources may be inaccurate, but you get the point). 
 
And as an out-of-state Red Wings fan, I actually felt guilty that I was happy about the new arena because it benefits me as a fan (though not one that gets back to many live games) without having having to pay the bill in the city I grew up around. 
 
I guess here's the thing with Detroit that keeps coming up: If not now, when?  If your argument against any new development or construction is always "wait till things get better?", has that wish ever really come true since, what, the '67 Riots?  You could argue there are certain way the city has gotten better since the 90's, but what they really mean is that city has done a better job becoming a Chuck E' Cheese's for adult suburbanites (casinos, Comerica, Ford Field, etc.).  JLA is old and would need to be replaced sooner or later, even if there wasn't an immediate threat (like an owner thinking about selling the team or moving it somewhere else).
 
Sorry, just rambling out loud.  I get frustrated when I go back home, see the busted out windows and 28% unemployment, and then have my family tell me how nice downtown is because there's a skating rink at Campus Martius now.  Most of my family has never moved more than 10 miles in their lifetime, and they don't know that it doesn't have to be like that.  Go Red Wings.


First I thought when this first came about illitch wanted to pay for like 95% of it himself? Did that change orno?


ALSO Detroit is a dump. There's a lot of abandoned and trashy looking buildings. So ifni had to assume the proposed location is in a spot that needs a little help. Keep in mind I've been to Detroit about 10 times total so I don't know if that's an accurate assumption in this exact location or not.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:15 PM

If hockey arenas need less of something, it would be the damn business seats and more seats for the real fans.
 
Personally I am always shaking my head about such stuff. These guys are all billionaires and they want a new arena, fine go pay for it and leave the tax payers money alone for way more important things (education, safety, better enviroment).
 
As for the name I think should be something, like the Howe, Lidström, Illitch, Yzerman or Pasha arena just not a stupid sponsored name. Though my worries are very slim here, because the Wings are just too classy in order to do something like that.

I generally agree with you, but I do think Detroit city that needs to spend its development dollars on something and the area between downtown and midtown needs development badly. IMO the worst thing would be the Wings moving to the burbs instead of helping build out the downtown area. Unfortunately, the use of public money likely means the naming rights will (should) be sold.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:12 PM

Love the Joe. But, the Wings need a new building. I hate that. But knewm it was coming.

Lets go Red Wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:28 PM

I generally agree with you, but I do think Detroit city that needs to spend its development dollars on something and the area between downtown and midtown needs development badly. IMO the worst thing would be the Wings moving to the burbs instead of helping build out the downtown area. Unfortunately, the use of public money likely means the naming rights will (should) be sold.

 
Actually, I've seen several sources indicate the naming rights are held exclusively by Olympia Entertainment, one of the Ilitch's companies, rather than by the Downtown Development Authority.  As such, they would have the rights to name it whatever they wish, or seek sponsorship (read, selling) for the name.
 
Here's a story on ESPN that talks (albeit briefly) about the naming rights...
 

The city's Downtown Development Authority approved a "memorandum of understanding" with Olympia Development of Michigan, which is owned by Ilitch and his wife, and Wayne County, home to Detroit. Ilitch also owns the Detroit Tigers, and his family owns Little Caesars Pizza and downtown Detroit's Fox Theatre.

Under the plan, the authority would own the arena and event center complex, while Olympia Development would have exclusive rights to use, manage and operate it, and hold naming rights.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:04 PM

 
Actually, I've seen several sources indicate the naming rights are held exclusively by Olympia Entertainment, one of the Ilitch's companies, rather than by the Downtown Development Authority.  As such, they would have the rights to name it whatever they wish, or seek sponsorship (read, selling) for the name.
 
Here's a story on ESPN that talks (albeit briefly) about the naming rights...
 

 

I'm almost positive they will seek naming rights because that's just the way things work in today's world. I just hope they call it the "(Sponsor) Olympia Stadium" or something along those lines, so that we as fans can say we're going to "Olympia" or "The O" or whatever we'd end up calling it instead of some corporate name. It'd be kind of like the Scotiabank Sattledome. I almost never hear the Scotiabank part when people talk about The Sattledome, which I'm happy about.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:58 PM

Regarding the naming rights - I really could care less.  It was cool that JLA was named after a famous sports icon, but these things are damn expensive.  Naming rights are huge in sports, so as long as its a company that isn't embarrassing and still likely to be around in 10 years (in other words, not GoDaddy.com), I'm fine.

That's a HUGE problem - see "Comerica Park."  They sent cease and desist letters to radio stations forcing them to call it "Comerica Park" instead of the Copa, and then bailed on the city immediately after.


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