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In his article today, John Niyo of the Detroit News suggested that the Wings should seriously consider trading any one of their young up and comers (not named Dekeyer). He listed Kindl and Smith by name and lumped all the young forwards as potentials as well. I don't want this thread to become a debate about the merits of Niyo's suggestion, but rather wanted to know who you'd all rather keep if it came down to trading Tatar or Nyquist. I think one of the two is likely on the way out for a couple reasons. They're stock is about as high as it's going to get. There's very little roster space as it is without adding anybody from outside the organization. Also it would be a bit redundant to have Tatar, Nyquist, AND Brunner on this team. That's a lot of small skilled euros on a team that keeps talking about getting bigger each year.

My thoughts? Nyquist is undeniably talented and showed good chemistry and skill with Andersson and Brunner in the playoffs. However, Tatar had the better season in terms of point production, seems to attack the net more, and might have leap frogged Nyquist after his Calder Cup performance. Tough call, but I've got to say I'd rather keep Tatar.

So, your thoughts?

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Well, I know you said don't argue about the merits of the article, but I'd rather we keep both of them. If I absolutely had to choose only one, I would take Nyquist probably.

Obviously everything depends on what was offered, but I don't think the young small Euros are as redundant as all the low scoring PK specialist bottom 6ers the wings have.

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Well, I know you said don't argue about the merits of the article, but I'd rather we keep both of them. If I absolutely had to choose only one, I would take Nyquist probably.

Obviously everything depends on what was offered, but I don't think the young small Euros are as redundant as all the low scoring PK specialist bottom 6ers the wings have.

I can certainly agree with this, however I guess the reason I'm suggesting it's redundant is because I think we need a more balanced approach to our scoring lines. In general I like the shooter-playmaker-net front scrapper dynamic. So it's possible that you could have one of each on the top three lines and pair them with the appropriate playmakers and thumpers, but given the way Detroit tends to start youngsters out on the third line, I'd expect two of the three are likely to be on the third line with Helm or Andersson next season, which is redundant.

My opinion is keep Nyquist.

Tatar would be on my trade list.

However Tatar would have to be included in a package for someone really special.

For sure, I guess I was implying that from the start but didn't explicitly say so. I certainly wouldn't trade them just for the sake of doing so, and it should be noted that Niyo wasn't suggesting that either.

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For sure, I guess I was implying that from the start but didn't explicitly say so. I certainly wouldn't trade them just for the sake of doing so, and it should be noted that Niyo wasn't suggesting that either.

No worries that you would trade Nyquist over Tatar I disagree but it's all good.

Question then is though for who or what?

I don't even know who is on the trading block right now that could help our team?

Obviously one or the other would have to be part of a package deal I would think.

I agree that both of their values right now are at a high. No doubt.

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I pretty much agree with u kip. A trade of any kind is unlikely right now IMO, but I would keep Tatar. Tatar is about at the same level as Nyquist, and is younger. He also plays a more well rounded game IMO. Nyquist honestly strikes me as Hudler/Filppula 3.0

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No worries that you would trade Nyquist over Tatar I disagree but it's all good.

Question then is though for who or what?

I don't even know who is on the trading block right now that could help our team?

Obviously one or the other would have to be part of a package deal I would think.

I agree that both of their values right now are at a high. No doubt.

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Ideally I'd trade them to a team looking to move some salary out, and even more ideally it would be for a young scorer or top pairing defenseman. Yandle or Bobby Ryan come to mind. I don't know if either are available, but they've been rumored to have been on the block in the past and even recently as well. Again, obviously rumors but that's what I'd be looking for. Bobby would score like gangbusters on our top line and would allow us to slot Franzen against second pairing d-men, thus exploiting that mismatch. And Yandle would seriously help our transition game which looked lackluster this year. I really think we need someone that can help transition from defense to offense a little more effectively.

Those are just two names, but their could be more if I really dug into it.

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Ideally I'd trade them to a team looking to move some salary out, and even more ideally it would be for a young scorer or top pairing defenseman. Yandle or Bobby Ryan come to mind. I don't know if either are available, but they've been rumored to have been on the block in the past and even recently as well. Again, obviously rumors but that's what I'd be looking for. Bobby would score like gangbusters on our top line and would allow us to slot Franzen against second pairing d-men, thus exploiting that mismatch. And Yandle would seriously help our transition game which looked lackluster this year. I really think we need someone that can help transition from defense to offense a little more effectively.

Those are just two names, but their could be more if I really dug into it.

My first thought was Bobby Ryan immediately. But yeah don't know really if he is available. However Philly thinks that Bobby is. IDK rumors.

Yandle yeah I'm not so sure on. Tatar or Nyquist aren't worth giving up for Yandle considering our supposedly "deep" defensemen pool.

That's my opinion of course.,

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My first thought was Bobby Ryan immediately. But yeah don't know really if he is available. However Philly thinks that Bobby is. IDK rumors.

Yandle yeah I'm not so sure on. Tatar or Nyquist aren't worth giving up for Yandle considering our supposedly "deep" defensemen pool.

That's my opinion of course.,

The thing I like about Yandle is that he's a top flight puck mover, signed to a reasonable contract for a few more years. You'd have him well through his prime, and by the time his contract is up your young d-men would be coming into their own. Let him walk after the contract, but realistically it's going to take any of Backman, Sproul, Ouellet, at least three years to develop fully (best case scenario) and you'd have Yandle there to act as a bridge during that time.

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The thing I like about Yandle is that he's a top flight puck mover, signed to a reasonable contract for a few more years. You'd have him well through his prime, and by the time his contract is up your young d-men would be coming into their own. Let him walk after the contract, but realistically it's going to take any of Backman, Sproul, Ouellet, at least three years to develop fully (best case scenario) and you'd have Yandle there to act as a bridge during that time.

True very true.

Can't argue with you. But both Nyquist and Tatar are a few years younger than Yandle.

Don't get me wrong I see where your coming from.

As I would love to have Yandle however I just don't think he's worth a package deal of Tatar or Nyquist from us.

Again that's my opinion

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True very true.

Can't argue with you. But both Nyquist and Tatar are a few years younger than Yandle.

Don't get me wrong I see where your coming from.

As I would love to have Yandle however I just don't think he's worth a package deal of Tatar or Nyquist from us.

Again that's my opinion

Fair enough, I can respect that. I think we both agree though that it would have to be someone with that kind of talent level.

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Fair enough, I can respect that. I think we both agree though that it would have to be someone with that kind of talent level.

Definitely and I do respect where you are coming from in this thread.

Well done.

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Edit: never mind

Haha, I wondered why you posted that one twice. The thing I like about Tatar over Nyquist is that he seems more tenacious. He's always attacking the net. I worry that Nyquist is a little to passive in his overall approach, which is good for a playmaker, but not so great for a goal scorer. And I think that we need more goal scorers on this team.

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IMO, having Datsyuk and Zetterberg means we need big bodies and elite scorers to compliment them. That's why Franzen and Bertuzzi work well in our system, and why Hudler and Filppula do not. Mule and Bert can at least bring the big body. Hudler and Filppula are both small not elite scorers. Unless they grow, or slap pucks like hull or federov, they don't belong in a top 6 with elite set up men like z and d

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Haha, I wondered why you posted that one twice. The thing I like about Tatar over Nyquist is that he seems more tenacious. He's always attacking the net. I worry that Nyquist is a little to passive in his overall approach, which is good for a playmaker, but not so great for a goal scorer. And I think that we need more goal scorers on this team.

I'm thinking the exact same thing. Nyquist is of the Zetterberg/Datsyuk mold, however he's worse than them. So to me, Tatar is the better option. He brings something we dont already have. He's of a very different mold that I can't quite pin down. I don't know what it is, but I like it. Very well rounded, very tenacious, very hungry.

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Nyquist seems to play less "European" than Tatar. I don't know why, maybe its because of the time he spent at Maine, but he seems to have more grinder qualities. He reminds me more of Helm, where tatar is more like filppula. Both have some datsyukian qualities, which is obviously a positive

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The thing I like about Yandle is that he's a top flight puck mover, signed to a reasonable contract for a few more years. You'd have him well through his prime, and by the time his contract is up your young d-men would be coming into their own. Let him walk after the contract, but realistically it's going to take any of Backman, Sproul, Ouellet, at least three years to develop fully (best case scenario) and you'd have Yandle there to act as a bridge during that time.

I seriously doubt that any of those mentioned will outplay Smith in a few years.

As for the thread topic, I rank Tatar slightly above Nyquist at this point because of his goal scoring touch.

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Tatar. He is younger, grittier and more of a shooter.

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They are so close talent-wise. It comes down to Tatar's aggressive goal scoring and playing much bigger than he is against Nyquist's superior playmaking and better defense. I'm not too worried about having Brunner, Tatar, and Nyquist. Tatar doesn't play small, Nyquist has a well rounded game and Brunner is dedicated to improve his game in every area.

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I hope we keep both but have a feeling Tatar is on the move. I'd trade him over nyq because I like nyq's play more.. and based on Tatar getting sent to the griffins after he seemed to play well up on the wings, it makes me think the coaching staff would like to keep nyq over Tatar if they had to choose as well.

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I hope we keep both but have a feeling Tatar is on the move. I'd trade him over nyq because I like nyq's play more.. and based on Tatar getting sent to the griffins after he seemed to play well up on the wings, it makes me think the coaching staff would like to keep nyq over Tatar if they had to choose as well.

I think they sent him down because Tatar is a year and a half younger and still physically filling out. He seemed more dynamic with the Wings than Nyq to me.

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I'd really just like to keep every young guy we have so that then we are guaranteed to get the ones who turn into eventual superstars, not gamble with possibly trading away a future top player. Only let them go when they are so good that their salaries demanded are going to outweight the cap and then possibly try to do that just 1 year left on contract and trade for value...

I just don't think any team is going to give us any veteran players that are actually worth what we believe the potential of all these players are. Let the other teams come calling to us begging and offering the world, don't shop these young guys around like we are some cheap insurance salesman (no offense to regular insurance salespeople :P)

EDIT - Oh and if I had to choose, I'd say Nyquist... his skills seem more smooth and classy that fit into the image of the Wings a bit better.. Tatar seems more like a fire every puck on net, clean up garbage type guy (I don't have good grasp on him, I could be wrong)... I just love that most of our playoff goals seemed to be laser cannons shot with pure skill versus just garbage or bad deflections (that is just my perception, I do not guarantee that is reality at all)

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I think they sent him down because Tatar is a year and a half younger and still physically filling out. He seemed more dynamic with the Wings than Nyq to me.

hmm yea, good point. Might make him worth a little more in a trade.. tho it would be nice to see the two develop into a duo on the same line. If all goes well, tat/nyq on one line and Jurco/frk on another could end up being deadly. *fingers crossed*

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I wouldn't trade either one yet, we need to lock up Nyquist here and see what this year brings for those two with a full year on the team. We are finally getting into a situation to lose the redundant 4th line grinder situation...Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Nyquist, Tatar, Brunner and Andersson looks like a solid foundation. I really hope we don't lose either one of these two kids, this team is build from the inside and that excites me the most...

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