Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 we'll get to see a lot of smith vs. smith action in the coming seasons. We went over this. Horton/Clarkson @ 11 million Vs. Brunner/Cleary/Sammy/Bertuzzi/Tootoo @ 12 million. Either way, you have 2 guys in your line-up. The mpney is not an issue. ....or because of the players ridiculous salary demands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Nill lowered the core players age down to match more closely to the promising prospects there. Additionally he addressed the need at centre. He also avoided including some excellent prospects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 One month in and Nill already has bigger nuggets than Holland lol Kenny Holland has become a Ken doll. 1 Datsyukian-Deke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Good trade for both Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Both of them are UFA's. Thats the funny thing. We only say "pipedream" because we know how dumb Holland is. Clarkson is hot garbage at the amount and term he wants..Horton has already stated he wants to be in a non traditional hockey market ...I'm not sure if you have noticed but Detroit is not non traditional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Clarkson is hot garbage at the amount and term he wants..Horton has already stated he wants to be in a non traditional hockey market ...I'm not sure if you have noticed but Detroit is not non traditional. Please don't let the facts get in the way of good old delusional thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 But it's Holland's fault Detroit is a traditional hockey market. What an idiot. Why would he do this to us!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Its also Holland's fault we have made the playoffs 22 straight seasons. What a loser 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Clarkson is hot garbage at the amount and term he wants..Horton has already stated he wants to be in a non traditional hockey market ...I'm not sure if you have noticed but Detroit is not non traditional. And? So? Same EXCUSE we are going to use for every UFA Kenny fails to sign? "X Player" wanted blue to be one of the team's colors. Hogwash. Money talks. B.S. walks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Horton/Clarkson now. Trade for Vanek later. What's with your obsession for Vanek and furthermore why would Buffalo trade their best player to a division rival? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 What's with your obsession for Vanek and furthermore why would Buffalo trade their best player to a division rival? Dude can bury it. Because he wont be in Buffalo past next year, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Dude can bury it. Because he wont be in Buffalo past next year, anyway. So you think they're going to willingly trade him to one of their strongest divisional opponents so they can then play against him as much as possible?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 So you think they're going to willingly trade him to one of their strongest divisional opponents so they can then play against him as much as possible?? If the price is right, why not? We picked up Chelios from where? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 If the price is right, why not? We picked up Chelios from where? Chelios was 37 at the time. Chicago didn't fear playing against him. Vanek is 29, in his prime, and by far the best forward/goal scorer on their team. Not a good comparison... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Its also Holland's fault we have made the playoffs 22 straight seasons. What a loser I'm not saying Holland didn't have his time where you can attribute a lot of the team's success to him, but Bowman put the team together that contributed to the brunt of that playoff streak, and you could say his influence as well as the effects of our success under his leadership as a GM and/or coach in those years at the very least helped keep the momentum going. Again, not saying Holland doesn't deserve credit, but certainly not anything close to 22 years worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Chelios was 37 at the time. Chicago didn't fear playing against him. Vanek is 29, in his prime, and by far the best forward/goal scorer on their team. Not a good comparison... Out of curiosoty, in which Stanley Cup do you think Chelios helped us more - 2002 or 2008? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 I wish nill replaced Holland 1 evilmrt reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 we'll get to see a lot of smith vs. smith action in the coming seasons. We went over this. Horton/Clarkson @ 11 million Vs. Brunner/Cleary/Sammy/Bertuzzi/Tootoo @ 12 million. Either way, you have 2 guys in your line-up. The mpney is not an issue. ....or because of the players ridiculous salary demands I agree that some of the wings are over paid but I don't care how you compare it, Horton + Clarkson is NOT worth 11 mill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 I agree that some of the wings are over paid but I don't care how you compare it, Horton + Clarkson is NOT worth 11 mill. I know it doesnt seem like it, but it is 2 guys in their prime that give us what we dont have = size and offense. Its not a buyers' market, unfortunately. That was 10 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Out of curiosoty, in which Stanley Cup do you think Chelios helped us more - 2002 or 2008? Man you get off topic quick.. nobody said he was a non-factor, just that it was a horrible comparison as stated above. The original point was I don't see Buffalo trading their best player to a top division rival and thus having to face him as much as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 I wish nill replaced Holland Same here, but let's wait until tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheelchairwing 11 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 For all we know, Holland may indeed swing a deal and sign a more than capable FA ... meaning this time tomorrow 85% of the people on this board will be heaping praise upon him ... ho hum ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingedominance13 112 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 For all we know, Holland may indeed swing a deal and sign a more than capable FA ... meaning this time tomorrow 85% of the people on this board will be heaping praise upon him ... ho hum ... Wow. Calm Down. Don't speak rationally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 4, 2013 And? So? Same EXCUSE we are going to use for every UFA Kenny fails to sign? "X Player" wanted blue to be one of the team's colors. Hogwash. Money talks. B.S. walks. Yea because the spend the most money theory always works. Ask Philly how that worked out for them last year or Minny with Parise and Suter..missed the playoffs..missed the playoffs. Horton is a good player but he is also not just slightly concussion prone but very concussion prone and not exactly adverse to injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 4, 2013 Man you get off topic quick.. nobody said he was a non-factor, just that it was a horrible comparison as stated above. The original point was I don't see Buffalo trading their best player to a top division rival and thus having to face him as much as possible. Chelios was a 3 time Norris Trophy winner in his prime. You act like he was washed up garbage. He payed 10 more seasons! The NEW point is that you are WRONG on the validoty of my comparison. It kills your argument, so I understand why you woild choose not to acknowledge it. The irony is that it strengthens the other side of your argument to a point where I cant put up a rebuttle. I agree with you that its better to trade outside your conference, if possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
