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#21 Johnz96

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

Homer use to score ugly goals for us and I think not having that type of player on our roster and the turnovers is why were not sucessful

No success whatsoever since 08. Pathetic.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:42 PM

Montador and Olesz spent the season in the minors, I doubt they affect the cap.

 

Well they do affect the cap and now it's been officially reported they're being bought out...


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

I can't believe how gaga everybody is going over Bickell and Clarkson.  Half this forum goes into an uproar about Franzen, his contract, and how he hasn't played up to the level he was signed at.  And now we're going to pay more for Bickell or Clarkson, who have a shorter period of goal scoring success?  Horton is the only one with a track record for goal scoring, and he's going to make a fortune.

 

Does the difference between wanting a guy and not wanting a guy really boil down being able to punch people once in a while?

Well - punching people may come in handy now that we're in the Eastern Conference.....However I do agree with your view overall.....For all we know - Bickell/Clarkson could be versions of Eric Cole; tending to play well for 1 franchise, and not many other.

 

These 2 guys could very well be like Marty Lapointe; sign big, and then disappoint for the remainder of the contract.....We don't want, nor need that.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

Well - punching people may come in handy now that we're in the Eastern Conference.....However I do agree with your view overall.....For all we know - Bickell/Clarkson could be versions of Eric Cole; tending to play well for 1 franchise, and not many other.

 

These 2 guys could very well be like Marty Lapointe; sign big, and then disappoint for the remainder of the contract.....We don't want, nor need that.

 

For real, Bickell hasn't score more than 17 goals in any of his NHL seasons and Clarkson has had one and half good years.  Sure they're both tough but to even consider paying them the kind of money they would make on the open market is insane for Detroit.  Unless we want five million plus wrapped up in guys who can barely skate, are physically strong, and MAY contribute offensively. 

 

You know what's funny, even last year when Clarkson had his breakout 30 goal season he still only had 8 more points than Bertuzzi. 


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

Well - punching people may come in handy now that we're in the Eastern Conference.....However I do agree with your view overall.....For all we know - Bickell/Clarkson could be versions of Eric Cole; tending to play well for 1 franchise, and not many other.

 

These 2 guys could very well be like Marty Lapointe; sign big, and then disappoint for the remainder of the contract.....We don't want, nor need that.

 

You could say that about any player ever. Same with the Lapointe comment that seems to keep popping up.

 

So because it didn't work out with that player we should never take that risk again? Be cautious when throwing out big contracts but you have to take risks every once in a while.

 

Having said that next summer may be the better time to take that risk on a UFA...


"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
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Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:24 PM

 

You could say that about any player ever. Same with the Lapointe comment that seems to keep popping up.

 

So because it didn't work out with that player we should never take that risk again? Be cautious when throwing out big contracts but you have to take risks every once in a while.

 

Having said that next summer may be the better time to take that risk on a UFA...

 

Bickell has one good postseason under his belt. He hasn't even got a good regular season. He's going to either go with the Blackhawks or get massively overpaid by a needy team purely on his single good postseason performance. The Wings don't need to take that risk.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:39 PM

 

Bickell has one good postseason under his belt. He hasn't even got a good regular season. He's going to either go with the Blackhawks or get massively overpaid by a needy team purely on his single good postseason performance. The Wings don't need to take that risk.

 

That's why I said it'd be better to wait till next summer....


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:51 PM

 

You could say that about any player ever. Same with the Lapointe comment that seems to keep popping up.

 

So because it didn't work out with that player we should never take that risk again? Be cautious when throwing out big contracts but you have to take risks every once in a while.

 

Having said that next summer may be the better time to take that risk on a UFA...

 

I agree that risks need to be taken but not with Bickel. If a guy can put up 30 goals and 70 points then yes you take a risk with big money. This is not the guy you take that risk on for the money some team is gonna throw at him. 



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:10 PM

Agreed GoaloeManPat. Just for the record I never stated I wanted Bickell. I just disagreed with F.Michaels statements. Hence the waiting till next summer comment.
"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:34 PM

Actually we paid Tootoo to ride the pine, the other 2 were hurt.

 

does EVERYONE forget that Tootoo played 42 out of 48 games this season, maybe he didn't get a lot of ice time, but he was still playing almost every night...



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:38 PM

I can't believe how gaga everybody is going over Bickell and Clarkson.  Half this forum goes into an uproar about Franzen, his contract, and how he hasn't played up to the level he was signed at.  And now we're going to pay more for Bickell or Clarkson, who have a shorter period of goal scoring success?  Horton is the only one with a track record for goal scoring, and he's going to make a fortune.

 

Does the difference between wanting a guy and not wanting a guy really boil down being able to punch people once in a while?

Clarkson can be just as good of a point producer as horton and is going to be cheaper, tougher, and more durable.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:49 PM

 

You could say that about any player ever. Same with the Lapointe comment that seems to keep popping up.

 

So because it didn't work out with that player we should never take that risk again? Be cautious when throwing out big contracts but you have to take risks every once in a while.

 

Having said that next summer may be the better time to take that risk on a UFA...

In a cap world where space is tight you need to minimize those risks, and unfortunately neither Clarkson, nor Bickell are worth what they'll try to get via UFA - regardless what they've done in the past 12, or so months.

 

Next summer just might be a better time - however it's been rumoured that this upcoming draft weekend could be a time for some "wheeling & dealing".



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:50 PM

Clarkson can be just as good of a point producer as horton and is going to be cheaper, tougher, and more durable.

 

lol.  Clarkson has scored more than 20 goals exactly once and never topped 50 points.  Horton has scored more than 20 goals six times, and topped 50 points four times.  I'll agree that he'll be cheaper and that he's likely tougher.  But to suggest that he's as capable a point producer ignores the entirety of both their careers, and rests on the demonstrably false assumption that a 30 year old player is somehow going to develop offense he's never had up to that point in his career.  If you believe that then I've got a 5 million dollar contract for Valtteri Filppula I'd love to have you sign. 

 

Clarkson had a good season last year.  Nathan Horton has been scoring goals his entire career.  No comparison. 


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:52 PM

...should've won the Conn Smythe.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:09 PM

Hawks may not let him go as they may consider him another Buff
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