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#1 joshy207

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:00 PM

Interesting...

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426513

 

Some Russians have purchased Hartwall Arena and have the option to buy a share of the club.  They plan on moving from the SM-Liiga to the KHL for the 2014-15 season.

 

KHL expansion into Europe continues...



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:06 PM

Filppula's team.


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:10 PM

I bet they'd be willing to give Filppula the $5m+ for 7 years he's looking for...


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:20 PM

Wow. Shocking. Jokerit is perhaps the most well-known team in the SM-liiga.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:43 PM

This is quite weird. I wouldn't be surprised to see their arena attendance drop as the team is leaving behind all their rivalries. The league is old and Jokerit is an old team and now they're basically destroying all the traditions. I don't think people will be that interested in supporting their team to win some unknown teams in a league that's based in another country.


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:46 PM

Wow.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:59 PM

This is quite weird. I wouldn't be surprised to see their arena attendance drop as the team is leaving behind all their rivalries. The league is old and Jokerit is an old team and now they're basically destroying all the traditions. I don't think people will be that interested in supporting their team to win some unknown teams in a league that's based in another country.


Agreed Jokerit may very well be one of the most known european clubs. They have a huge tradition, a fantastique fanbase. Why the hell should they be interested in playing against teams for another country, in a very questionable league?

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:39 PM

With native-born players leaving for North America and the KHL already, I wonder if they feel the quality of their league is dropping and a move to the KHL would give their fans better hockey to watch.  A move like this could work if other clubs follow suit and help transform the KHL from a mostly-Russian league to a full European/Asian league with teams all over the map.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:44 PM

Agreed Jokerit may very well be one of the most known european clubs. They have a huge tradition, a fantastique fanbase. Why the hell should they be interested in playing against teams for another country, in a very questionable league? Don't let the russians buy them!

 

It sounds like the buying is already done.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:45 PM

I'm not sure this is a great move by Jokerit either.

 

I don't think their attendance will suffer all that much, but I don't think they were turning much of a profit as it was, and now their travel costs will skyrocket. Combine that with them going from a top team in the FEL to an also ran in the KHL they will probably be losing a lot of money.

 

I'm not sure what advantages there are to teams joining the KHL from outside Russia, the league seems to make its rules up as they go, and it seems that they are slanted in such a way that the Russian clubs get all the advantages.

 

The further the league expands the more I wonder how long it can continue losing money like it does, but I guess most European Soccer/football clubs operate at massive losses as well and they are still operating strongly so maybe the KHL's model will work.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:50 PM

With native-born players leaving for North America and the KHL already, I wonder if they feel the quality of their league is dropping and a move to the KHL would give their fans better hockey to watch.  A move like this could work if other clubs follow suit and help transform the KHL from a mostly-Russian league to a full European/Asian league with teams all over the map.

 

I think that KHL would benefit from replacing some of the Russian teams having financial problems with Finnish and eventually maybe Swedish teams. After Jokerit joins Sweden is the only major hockey country in Europe which does not have a team in KHL.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:49 PM

I'm not sure this is a great move by Jokerit either.

 

I don't think their attendance will suffer all that much, but I don't think they were turning much of a profit as it was, and now their travel costs will skyrocket. Combine that with them going from a top team in the FEL to an also ran in the KHL they will probably be losing a lot of money.

 

I'm not sure what advantages there are to teams joining the KHL from outside Russia, the league seems to make its rules up as they go, and it seems that they are slanted in such a way that the Russian clubs get all the advantages.

 

The further the league expands the more I wonder how long it can continue losing money like it does, but I guess most European Soccer/football clubs operate at massive losses as well and they are still operating strongly so maybe the KHL's model will work.

 

First thing that popped into my head when I heard this news: Their travel is going to SUCK now.

 

http://www.sportmapw...nland/sm-liiga/

 

Their farthest opponent was only 332 miles (535km) away

 

http://www.sportmapw...key/russia/khl/

 

Now their farthest opponent is 4445 miles (7155km)


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:06 PM

Unless a team is bolting from the SEL as well, this looks really dumb. 



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 10:22 AM

C'mon, guys, I'm sure it's just a joke.

 

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 04:09 PM


 

I'm not sure what advantages there are to teams joining the KHL from outside Russia, the league seems to make its rules up as they go, and it seems that they are slanted in such a way that the Russian clubs get all the advantages.

 

What do you mean by rules slanted to the advantage of Russian teams? In fact, the only difference in the KHL rules is that the non-Russian teams don't have any limit on the number of foreign (non-Russian) players they can sign. That is an advantage to the non-Russian clubs, as they, theoretically, can ice as many as 25 Canadians for their teams, if they want.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

I'm not sure this is a great move by Jokerit either.

 

I don't think their attendance will suffer all that much, but I don't think they were turning much of a profit as it was, and now their travel costs will skyrocket. Combine that with them going from a top team in the FEL to an also ran in the KHL they will probably be losing a lot of money.

 

I'm not sure what advantages there are to teams joining the KHL from outside Russia, the league seems to make its rules up as they go, and it seems that they are slanted in such a way that the Russian clubs get all the advantages.

 

The further the league expands the more I wonder how long it can continue losing money like it does, but I guess most European Soccer/football clubs operate at massive losses as well and they are still operating strongly so maybe the KHL's model will work.

 

Imagine the travel times in a series between Jokerit and Admiral Vladivostok. That's a 4,200 mile flight each way---twice as far as a jaunt from Los Angeles to New York City.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 05:00 PM

C'mon, guys, I'm sure it's just a joke.

 

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I came into this thread literally just to see if this pun had been said in some form and if not claim it and beat a hasty retreat.

 

I am sad it has been taken. I have literally nothing else to offer this thread.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 05:17 PM

What do you mean by rules slanted to the advantage of Russian teams? In fact, the only difference in the KHL rules is that the non-Russian teams don't have any limit on the number of foreign (non-Russian) players they can sign. That is an advantage to the non-Russian clubs, as they, theoretically, can ice as many as 25 Canadians for their teams, if they want.

 

The one I was referring to is the one that allows teams to sign a Russian player away from the NHL and have it not count against the salary cap.

 

It was worded by Malamud that it was for returning "Russian" players but its possible that it would be extended to Finnish or Swedish players as well, however the only teams that can afford to throw around such money are the Russian clubs backed by big money. 

 

Jokerit with its increased travel costs wouldn't be able to compete with an NHL contract so in essence that rule gives a huge advantage to the Russian clubs.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:03 PM

Just did a bit of internet searching and the reactions are just like mine would have been, if some shaddy russians would have bought my club and sent them to a league, nobody cares about:

 

1. Fan clubs of Jokerit are already singing the goodbye Jokerit song --> they are going to stop supporting the team --->atmosphere will be very businesslike and thats not what european fanculture is about

 

2. Fan's are feeling robbed - understandable

 

3. even hardcore fans are looking for another team to fell in love with. Man I really feel sorry for them it's must be like losing one of your best friends :(

 

What the KHL and their shaddy owners aren't getting is the fact, that most european fans are perfectly fine with being "feeders" to the NHL, other than that we are happy with our national leagues, our historic rivalries and seeing young homegrown talent develop into "stars" and possible someday NHL players. I love hockey and follow other leagues too but I couldn't even name an active KHL player right now - oh well one Mirasty John - it really sucks, that the oil driven shaddy money is now pouring its dirty eye into hockey too.

 

I feel really sorry for the fans of Jokerit. Also a big FU to the owners, shame on you for selling out tradition in order to become another plastic club in a baby-league nobody - other than of course Russians a- cares about. I hope the attention is dropping to 3 digits and the atmosphere to suck hard.

 

The KHL has failed with their unrealistic expectation s and now they are trying to use their shaddy tatics in order to force other clubs into this joke of a league. Here are some news for you russian billionaires nobody cares, leave our national  leagues alone thanks.

 

btw. the CEO (GM) of another famous finnish hockey club TPS Tuurku has already been quoted saying, that they are neveer going to join the KHL or sell themselves to russian billionaires.

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must be nice seeing finnish star players and young guys getting beaten up for no real reason against Chekov or however that goon club is spelled...


Edited by frankgrimes, 29 June 2013 - 11:43 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:47 PM

When I was a kid in the mid-90's Jokerit was to me like Red Wings is now with a huge rivalry with TPS (that was like Penguins and their star Saku Koivu was like Crosby). A lot has changed since then. I don't care that much. I feel bad for their fans though.

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