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Jakub Kindl signs 4 year extension, $9.6m total, $2.4m/yr

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I'm not trying to talk you out of anything, and I don't want to argue. But I really, really, want to know what you like about Smith. You can message me if you want so that you don't have to argue with anyone else. But I've got to know why he's on that list.

Smith is a really likable guy. You can tell he tries hard and is devastated when he screws up. I'm rooting for him because of that.

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Smith is a really likable guy. You can tell he tries hard and is devastated when he screws up. I'm rooting for him because of that.

Exactly. Hes a gamer. Love Smith.

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I've always been a fan of Smith and think he's got crazy potential. And yes I'm aware that he was a little shaky in the playoffs, but for his first real season in the NHL, it very easily could have been a whole lot worse. But Quincey on the other hand.....I think we never should have traded the 1st rounder for him, but I can armchair GM all night.

Once DeKeyser gets used to the team and settles into his role and the NHL in general, he'll be just fine and I'm expecting to see some of his offensive game. I'm one of the few who actually believe that that Lashoff shouldn't be a 7th D-Man and would like to see more of him next season.

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DeKeyser-Kindl

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Quincey

trade Cola

You stole my avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dekeyser-kindl is going to be one hell of a pairing :thumbup:

Great call.

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I don't like this deal and find it overpayment.

Sorry don't like it.

It's overpayment right now. And he's now signed until he's 30 so the big question is if he's still improving or if he's peaked.

Offensively he made big improvements this season. He looked more and more comfortable on the PP and is among if not the best on the team at getting his shot through. It might not always be a cannon but he can get it through to the net, which this team has had a hard time with since Nick and Rafalski retired.

Defensively he still plays with the consistency of a #7 guy though. If he improves that, this'll be a good deal. If he doesn't, the Wings will be wishing they packaged him in a trade.

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WOW nuts would never have done this move. lots of better options out there then him. Ferrence is playoff animal, should have brought him in.

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Next year Kindl will be second in defense scoring on this team, just behind Kronwall. And it will be closer than anyone thinks. He's made the 2nd PP his own, and had a knack for timely production. He's also improved in in zone coverage tremendously. He's still got some work to do on his first pass, but otherwise he's really made strides. I have no idea what's not to like about that for 2.4 million.

He probably just needs to punch someone and the naysayers will get on board.

I vote he punches someone!

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quincey only has one year left on his contract, thank god. - 3,775,000

he played better 2nd half and playoffs ... and to be honest i hope he plays amazing and we resign him otherwise we traded our 1st round pick for nothing

otherwise package him in a deal and get rid of him now

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It's overpayment right now. And he's now signed until he's 30 so the big question is if he's still improving or if he's peaked.

Offensively he made big improvements this season. He looked more and more comfortable on the PP and is among if not the best on the team at getting his shot through. It might not always be a cannon but he can get it through to the net, which this team has had a hard time with since Nick and Rafalski retired.

Defensively he still plays with the consistency of a #7 guy though. If he improves that, this'll be a good deal. If he doesn't, the Wings will be wishing they packaged him in a trade.

He lead all our defensemen in +/-. Playoffs and Regular Season. So either youre saying all our defensemen play at #7 level or below, or youre wrong.

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+/- is a flawed stat.

This is more money than I would have liked to see, but I'm not too upset. Kindl had a big year, took a huge step forward, and is *finally* starting to show some of the potential that made him a first-round pick. I don't know that he'll ever get any higher than a #4 defenseman, but he's a solid third-pair guy. Probably could have had him for about $2M per year, but by the end of the deal, this could work out to be a bargain.

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He lead all our defensemen in +/-. Playoffs and Regular Season. So either youre saying all our defensemen play at #7 level or below, or youre wrong.

No, I can rely on other factors to determine what level a defenseman is playing at, like watching them play the game. An understanding of the plus-minus stat helps too.

If you actually read my post, you'd see I was specifically saying that on the defensive end he plays like a #7, not his overall game. To further clarify I'm mostly referring to his lack of consistency in his own zone. That lack of consistency night after night is the biggest difference between a #7 plug and regular on the blueline, especially someone with Kindl's skillset.

Maybe next time try and make a point of your own instead of misrepresenting mine and telling me I'm wrong.

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No, I can rely on other factors to determine what level a defenseman is playing at, like watching them play the game. An understanding of the plus-minus stat helps too.

If you actually read my post, you'd see I was specifically saying that on the defensive end he plays like a #7, not his overall game. To further clarify I'm mostly referring to his lack of consistency in his own zone. That lack of consistency night after night is the biggest difference between a #7 plug and regular on the blueline, especially someone with Kindl's skillset.

Maybe next time try and make a point of your own instead of misrepresenting mine and telling me I'm wrong.

The stats dont support your argument is all. +/- is kept so you can see what players are the most beneficial to a team 5 on 5. This stat can be skewed, as the top pairing usually faces the other team's top line(s) and vice versa. But in Kindl's case, he was seeing big minutes last season. Babcock wasnt shielding him from the superstars. His +/- is a great indicator that he was taking care of his business in hid own end. Babcock mentioned this several times last season.

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The stats dont support your argument is all. +/- is kept so you can see what players are the most beneficial to a team 5 on 5. This stat can be skewed, as the top pairing usually faces the other team's top line(s) and vice versa. But in Kindl's case, he was seeing big minutes last season. Babcock wasnt shielding him from the superstars. His +/- is a great indicator that he was taking care of his business in hid own end. Babcock mentioned this several times last season.

The stats don't support my argument?

His average TOI was 17:43 in the playoffs. 18:33 in the regular season. Go look where those numbers put him on the depth chart. In the playoffs he averaged 14:57 Even Strength TOI. Regular season it was 15:40. The rest was mostly on the PP. Kindl wasn't seeing big minutes.

His plus minus was good in part because he was protected. That stat in no way proves the opposite, or much else for that matter. +/- is in no way a great indicator of taking care of business in your own end.

On the LA Kings the +/- leader during the regular season was Jake Muzzin. Ask any Kings game how they felt anytime Muzzin had the puck in his own end.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20122013&gameType=2&team=DET&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=summary

Kindl is 2nd in scoring, 4th in Time on Ice, 1st in +/-.

How does that make him 7th? Your assertion is totally unfounded.

Babcock bumped Kindl/Colo down to 3rd pair in the playoffs because he wanted Smith's speed on the ice. I dont think this is a knock on Kindl at all. Im sure Kindl and Dekeyser will see plenty of ice time next year.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20122013&gameType=2&team=DET&position=S&country=&status=&viewName=summary

Kindl is 2nd in scoring, 4th in Time on Ice, 1st in +/-.

How does that make him 7th? Your assertion is totally unfounded.

Babcock bumped Kindl/Colo down to 3rd pair in the playoffs because he wanted Smith's speed on the ice. I dont think this is a knock on Kindl at all. Im sure Kindl and Dekeyser will see plenty of ice time next year.

As I've already mentioned, my assertion was never that Kindl was the 7th D man.

My posts are there for you to re-read if you feel like seeing what I've actually said.

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No, I can rely on other factors to determine what level a defenseman is playing at, like watching them play the game. An understanding of the plus-minus stat helps too.

If you actually read my post, you'd see I was specifically saying that on the defensive end he plays like a #7, not his overall game. To further clarify I'm mostly referring to his lack of consistency in his own zone. That lack of consistency night after night is the biggest difference between a #7 plug and regular on the blueline, especially someone with Kindl's skillset.

Maybe next time try and make a point of your own instead of misrepresenting mine and telling me I'm wrong.

That is a little harsh. He is better in his own zone than Yandle or Letang (and will only get betteer as he is finally being given an opportunity to develop). We finished 5th in the league in Goals Against. Of course Howard, Datsyuk and Zetterberg had a lot to do with that but despite what many of you think so did the defense.

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As I've already mentioned, my assertion was never that Kindl was the 7th D man.

My posts are there for you to re-read if you feel like seeing what I've actually said.

Did you write "Defensively, he still plays with the consistency of a number 7 guy though"?

Yes or no?

Im telling you that you havent moved on from 2012. Kindl plays with ghe consistency of a number 4 or better now. Thats why all his stats are up, thats why the coach is singing his praises, and thats why he got a nice extension. Why knock ANY part of his game right now?

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Did you write "Defensively, he still plays with the consistency of a number 7 guy though"?

Yes or no?

Im telling you that you havent moved on from 2012. Kindl plays with ghe consistency of a number 4 or better now. Thats why all his stats are up, thats why the coach is singing his praises, and thats why he got a nice extension. Why knock ANY part of his game right now?

Yes, I did. But all you're responses act like I called him a #7 D-man overall.

You can tell me whatever you want, it doesn't make it true. If you don't just quote part of my post out of context, you'll see I complimented a lot of his game. And he has absolutely made big strides this year.

He was very poised in the offensive zone this season but Kindl doesn't play with the consistency of a #4 or better in his own end.

Why knock any part of his game? For starters, it's a thread about Kindl's new contract on a hockey discussion forum, so all aspects of his game are relevant. This isn't a cheerleading thread.

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WOW nuts would never have done this move. lots of better options out there then him. Ferrence is playoff animal, should have brought him in.

At least you're consistent--consistently wrong about Kindl, but consistent. Thankfully most of the board and the Wings management disagrees with you.

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Yes, I did. But all you're responses act like I called him a #7 D-man overall.

You can tell me whatever you want, it doesn't make it true. If you don't just quote part of my post out of context, you'll see I complimented a lot of his game. And he has absolutely made big strides this year.

He was very poised in the offensive zone this season but Kindl doesn't play with the consistency of a #4 or better in his own end.

Why knock any part of his game? For starters, it's a thread about Kindl's new contract on a hockey discussion forum, so all aspects of his game are relevant. This isn't a cheerleading thread.

What stats do you have to back up your point?

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What stats do you have to back up your point?

As I've said, feel free to read back through my previous posts. His TOI is somewhat of an indication of where he stands in the lineup. But more importantly, I watch him play and base my opinion on that.

Not everything can be boiled down to statistics. Your misusing the +/- stat does not somehow make your argument the right one. We're talking about hockey, not proving a theorem.

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As I've said, feel free to read back through my previous posts. His TOI is somewhat of an indication of where he stands in the lineup. But more importantly, I watch him play and base my opinion on that.

Not everything can be boiled down to statistics. Your misusing the +/- stat does not somehow make your argument the right one. We're talking about hockey, not proving a theorem.

He was 4th in TOI during the regular season and 5th in the playoffs. So that doesnt seem like #7 to me. Im all for letting you have your OPINION, but I'd at least like you to admit that you dont have any statistics to base your "#7 defenseman from a defensively inconsistent standpoint" argument on.

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