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#141 RedWingsDad

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:24 AM

I honestly don't understand the fixation with Stephen Weiss, as the pundits are now saying he's the most likely to be signed by Holland at this point. Replacing one soft, small center in Filppula with another soft, small, center for almost the same price...not exactly a game changing move.

 

We don't exactly need a game changing move, and Holland has stated as much. We want to get incrementally better and we will do that through signing Weiss and through improvement in our rookies. Holland is thinking long term, LGW members are by and large thinking short term.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:28 AM

 

We don't exactly need a game changing move, and Holland has stated as much. We want to get incrementally better and we will do that through signing Weiss and through improvement in our rookies. Holland is thinking long term, LGW members are by and large thinking short term.

 

Well if Holland is thinking long term, he better not give Cleary $3M for 3 years....as I stated in a different thread, he if gives Cleary $3M and Brunner $2.5M that only leaves $5.2M to sign Andersson, Nyquist and Smith leaving leftovers to sign Weiss.... Weiss won't be coming here for a 75% discount, so Holland best not retain Cleary or Sammy...


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

This just proves with the shrunken cap, these guys aren't going to get what is being announced they are looking for...he went through 3 or 4 serious suitors before having to settle for a crapheap of a team and they are giving him less and he had to pry a NMC out of them.

 

These UFAs are going to have to seriously reduce their expectations or end up on s***ty teams... I fully support Holland only offering reasonable contracts to these guys (Clarkson, Horton, Ribiero, etc) and if they say no, they can enjoy losing for the next 5 years.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:43 AM

The Olsen twins proved last year that players only want the payday....Wisneiwski the year before that...They are going to go where someone pays them the most money (or the longer term giving them more money) and could care less about Lord Stanley.  Which is what the league wanted, parity.  Vinny in Philly sells tickets...doesn't win it Stanley Cups...and that is all Bettman is worried about, revenue parity around the league.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:51 AM

 

You have found your taker. Let's make $200 to the charity of the winner's choice, shall we?

 

 

I want in on this

 

 

I'll do it. $200 bucks for the charity of the others choosing. Philly will win a Cup before the Wings.

 

 

 

I really want in on this, if philly wins first you get $400 for your charity, if wings (not if but when) win first, your $200 goes to stillwater's charity 

I'm merely quoting these for your future reference.  

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:01 AM

 

Well if Holland is thinking long term, he better not give Cleary $3M for 3 years....as I stated in a different thread, he if gives Cleary $3M and Brunner $2.5M that only leaves $5.2M to sign Andersson, Nyquist and Smith leaving leftovers to sign Weiss.... Weiss won't be coming here for a 75% discount, so Holland best not retain Cleary or Sammy...

 

I agree giving Cleary 3 yrs @ 3 per would be a boneheaded move.... hoping that is not actually going to happen.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:33 AM

 

We don't exactly need a game changing move, and Holland has stated as much. We want to get incrementally better and we will do that through signing Weiss and through improvement in our rookies. Holland is thinking long term, LGW members are by and large thinking short term.

 

True. But Datsyuk and Zetterberg will be 35 and 33, respectively, this season. They're still by far our best players. So our window's closing--we need to make a run soon.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:02 AM

This news pisses me off. He goes to a team right up against the cap, allegedly, and we have money to spend and need a second line center. And now there is talk of RE-SIGNING CLEARY? FOR 3 MIL A YEAR? FOR THREE YEARS? It feels like April Fools Day, I swear.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:19 AM

This news pisses me off. He goes to a team right up against the cap, allegedly, and we have money to spend and need a second line center. And now there is talk of RE-SIGNING CLEARY? FOR 3 MIL A YEAR? FOR THREE YEARS? It feels like April Fools Day, I swear.

 

Not allegedly, the Flyers are over the cap with the signing of Lecavailer.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:22 AM

 

Not allegedly, the Flyers are over the cap with the signing of Lecavailer.

They will have to make some moves to make room for him. They still need a goalie. 



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:32 AM

I think so of you folks are missing the point. I don't think the DOLLARS were the issue, it was the TERM. 

 

It's a shame they couldn't have talked him into 2 or 3 years and then explain to him that the Wings have a history of allowing/encouraging 1 year re-ups after that. 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:33 AM

 

Not allegedly, the Flyers are over the cap with the signing of Lecavailer.

 

with a backup goalie, and no other goalie, 7/9 defensemen being paid 3.5 mil/year or more (which is funny cause their defense sucks still) and no real offense either, their team is so far from being anything good it is ridiculous, but hey Vinny, glad you get that payday for another 5 years on top of your buyout, greedy f***



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:35 AM

I'm glad Holland didn't sign him at these terms. 5 years for an already declining center ? After maybe two productive years we all  would (rightfully so) blame Holland if he starts to fail the LGW expectations. See Franzen. In addition if we want to keep our young players after they made it to NHL-Level then we better stay away from this kind of contracts.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:35 AM

Well when the Flyers move Pronger to LTIR, they'll free up around $4mil in cap space taking into account how much over they are now. It's not a lot but they'll figure it out. They won't have any goaltending but then again they never have.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:59 AM

The problem for Holland is that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Howard, Kronwall and Franzen are all in their 30's, all signed to long term contracts, and together will account for an estimated 40% or so of the current cap.  Add another 5 million player for a long term contract and the result is that the team will have somewhere between 35% and 45% of their cap taken up by an aging roster, aging at the same time, and declining together with limited ability to sign rising stars.  

 

Consequently, I don't think there is any way that Holland goes beyond more than three years for a player 32 years and older.  And, the pickings are slim for younger UFAs, particularly at the position of need.  I think that is why Weiss' name continues to come up frequently - price, age, and maybe term coming off an injury.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:15 PM

I think so of you folks are missing the point. I don't think the DOLLARS were the issue, it was the TERM. 

 

It's a shame they couldn't have talked him into 2 or 3 years and then explain to him that the Wings have a history of allowing/encouraging 1 year re-ups after that. 

 

 

The problem for Holland is that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Howard, Kronwall and Franzen are all in their 30's, all signed to long term contracts, and together will account for an estimated 40% or so of the current cap.  Add another 5 million player for a long term contract and the result is that the team will have somewhere between 35% and 45% of their cap taken up by an aging roster, aging at the same time, and declining together with limited ability to sign rising stars.  

 

Consequently, I don't think there is any way that Holland goes beyond more than three years for a player 32 years and older.  And, the pickings are slim for younger UFAs, particularly at the position of need.  I think that is why Weiss' name continues to come up frequently - price, age, and maybe term coming off an injury.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:39 PM

Well when the Flyers move Pronger to LTIR, they'll free up around $4mil in cap space taking into account how much over they are now. It's not a lot but they'll figure it out. They won't have any goaltending but then again they never have.

62.45 million cap is what they are at with pronger on ltir, bring up your ahl goalie and have him back up your backup goalie...



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

Flyers are playing with fire if the cap doesn't increase fast enough. They have Schenn Couts and Giroux all needing raises and they aren't paying top dollar for a proven goalie yet. They also don't have a legit number 1 dman. 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:48 PM

Flyers are playing with fire if the cap doesn't increase fast enough. They have Schenn Couts and Giroux all needing raises and they aren't paying top dollar for a proven goalie yet. They also don't have a legit number 1 dman. 

 

the flyers problems are much deeper than you or I can even imagine



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:50 PM

Also, while it could be open to debate as to whether Weiss is a significant upgrade over Fils, it cannot be debated that he would fit better.

 

There is a reason that Fils played mostly on the wing the past two years.  Weiss would be a true center with decent faceoff skills and not afraid to shoot, the latter point likely accounting for the historical goal differential between the two.  I have no idea if Holland signs Weiss, but I am certain that I will not be yelling "shoot", "shoot" as often when he has an opportunity to do so as I did with Fils.  And, it would give Babcock more opportunities to use Zetterberg and Datsyuk on the same line again.

 

Better fit, and it is that poor fit that is likely leading to Fils not getting an offer that he wants.


Edited by whitey, 03 July 2013 - 12:51 PM.






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