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#21 TheDetroitRedWings

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:46 PM

I like Bert. Cleary signing seems like a lot, but everyone from teammates to coaching to management seems to like him. He's a heart guy who gives his all every night. Good for the bottom six

Edit: I can't imagine 3x3 being true. If it is, its a little much

That's the problem though, we don't play him in the bottom 6. He played in the TOP 6 every game he played, which is obviously quite ridiculous and yet another reason why I and most others don't want him back


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:50 PM

Now, get a snarly stay at home defensemen that clears the crease. Douglas Murray, Ryan O'Byrne, or Jim Vandermeer.

Bertuzzi is still effective if he can get healthy, so I'm not upset that he's sticking around.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:51 PM

I think using a buyout on Carlo is a waste.  IMHO, he was one of our top 4 defensemen in the playoffs, and is paid less than at least one guy who he outplayed (Quincy).  I think he could and would crack our lineup even with DeKeyser back.  Now, we are relying on Smith to step it up and Quincy to play to his potential every night vs. having a guy that came in and played rock solid in our back pocket.  And we're doing this why? To keep Samuelsson??  WTF???

 

I don't have too much of a problem with the Cleary deal, though I wish it was more like 2 years at 2M or 2.5M.  I know a lot of people want a star player in his place, but I'd argue that he brings some of the things to the table that we need: he'll go to the net, he plays tougher than his size and he gives 100% every time out on the ice.  He's like Rudy - I wish I could put his heart into Franzen's body.

 

I don't have too much of a problem with keeping Bert too.  If he's hurt, we can IR him and maybe get someone else (IR doesn't count against cap?). While if he's truly healthy, he can bring some size, grit, toughness and scoring.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:51 PM

I'm fine with Bert, but I'm hoping that Cleary contract rumor is inflated in both term and money.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:52 PM

I think using a buyout on Carlo is a waste.  IMHO, he was one of our top 4 defensemen in the playoffs, and is paid less than at least one guy who he outplayed (Quincy).  I think he could and would crack our lineup even with DeKeyser back.  Now, we are relying on Smith to step it up and Quincy to play to his potential every night vs. having a guy that came in and played rock solid in our back pocket.  And we're doing this why? To keep Samuelsson??  WTF???

 

I don't have too much of a problem with the Cleary deal, though I wish it was more like 2 years at 2M or 2.5M.  I know a lot of people want a star player in his place, but I'd argue that he brings some of the things to the table that we need: he'll go to the net, he plays tougher than his size and he gives 100% every time out on the ice.  He's like Rudy - I wish I could put his heart into Franzen's body.

 

I don't have too much of a problem with keeping Bert too.  If he's hurt, we can IR him and maybe get someone else (IR doesn't count against cap?). While if he's truly healthy, he can bring some size, grit, toughness and scoring.

 

 

 

 

He is 37, this contract would end at 40, he's our weakest player with the puck and literally never ceases to fall everytime theres a battle. 

 

Even on the free market, he wouldn't get more than 2M. 


Edited by ShanahanMan, 02 July 2013 - 07:53 PM.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

Cleary is 34.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:55 PM

Cleary's knees won't last 3 years Kenny.  



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:55 PM

He's not 37, he's 34.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:55 PM

all we ever seem to do is resign our own players or players who have been here before ... id rather just give more ice time to the kids comes a time to let go of the past


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:57 PM

That's the problem though, we don't play him in the bottom 6. He played in the TOP 6 every game he played, which is obviously quite ridiculous and yet another reason why I and most others don't want him back

Hopefully there will be far less injuries next year. I also think with Tatar coming up, at least one of our young third liners will be bumped up to a top 6 winger role. No?

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:57 PM

I think using a buyout on Carlo is a waste.  IMHO, he was one of our top 4 defensemen in the playoffs, and is paid less than at least one guy who he outplayed (Quincy).  I think he could and would crack our lineup even with DeKeyser back.  Now, we are relying on Smith to step it up and Quincy to play to his potential every night vs. having a guy that came in and played rock solid in our back pocket.  And we're doing this why? To keep Samuelsson??  WTF???

 

I agree 100%.  Colo actually did something this past season and is in a position of need.  Sammy did literally nothing for us, costs us more and plays a position we're log jammed at already.  I'm not sure why they're keeping him.  He's not good enough to be top 6 and if he plays the bottom 6, he'll take away a roster spot from one our younger players that should be with the big club.  I really hope there's a trade in the works here.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if Cleary signed 3 years. It'll probly bring him to retirement and im pretty sure at some point Holland or babs said Cleary would be a wing for life..

that said, 3 mill per is disgusting.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

3 years at $3mil per? Don'tf****** do it, Kenny.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:05 PM

So...Let me get this straight...We got 2 guys...When healthy - one is actually pretty useful, and we're getting rid of him, and the other when healthy is...Well...We're gonna keep him.....Makes sense :blink:


I think using a buyout on Carlo is a waste.  IMHO, he was one of our top 4 defensemen in the playoffs, and is paid less than at least one guy who he outplayed (Quincy).  I think he could and would crack our lineup even with DeKeyser back.  Now, we are relying on Smith to step it up and Quincy to play to his potential every night vs. having a guy that came in and played rock solid in our back pocket.  And we're doing this why? To keep Samuelsson??  WTF???

 

I don't have too much of a problem with the Cleary deal, though I wish it was more like 2 years at 2M or 2.5M.  I know a lot of people want a star player in his place, but I'd argue that he brings some of the things to the table that we need: he'll go to the net, he plays tougher than his size and he gives 100% every time out on the ice.  He's like Rudy - I wish I could put his heart into Franzen's body.

 

I don't have too much of a problem with keeping Bert too.  If he's hurt, we can IR him and maybe get someone else (IR doesn't count against cap?). While if he's truly healthy, he can bring some size, grit, toughness and scoring.

Not to sound harsh.....Cleary - Bertuzzi - Samuelsson should not be Red Wings at the start of the 2013/2014 NHL season.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:14 PM

So...Let me get this straight...We got 2 guys...When healthy - one is actually pretty useful, and we're getting rid of him, and the other when healthy is...Well...We're gonna keep him.....Makes sense :blink:


Not to sound harsh.....Cleary - Bertuzzi - Samuelsson should not be Red Wings at the start of the 2013/2014 NHL season.

 

Pretty much.  Holland is obsessed with old geysers who aren't that good anymore.  Did Bertuzzi or Samuelsson even play last season?  Why are they being given another chance to get injured?   

 

I remember Cleary playing, because we all made countless jokes about him throughout the year, but he actually played well in the playoffs.  But still, its time to be fully committed to a youth movement.  We'd have enough veterans with Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall to have a balanced lineup with experience and youth.


He's not 37, he's 34.

 

He moves like he's 44.  Ric Flair is in better shape than him.  


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:17 PM

 

Pretty much.  Holland is obsessed with old geysers who aren't that good anymore.  Did Bertuzzi or Samuelsson even play last season?  Why are they being given another chance to get injured?   

 

I remember Cleary playing, because we all made countless jokes about him throughout the year, but he actually played well in the playoffs.  But still, its time to be fully committed to a youth movement.  We'd have enough veterans with Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall to have a balanced lineup with experience and youth.


 

He moves like he's 44.  Ric Flair is in better shape than him.  

 

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:18 PM

Any news on what type of buyout is being used? Unless they plan to buyout Mule next season, they don't need to save the compliance buyout, but it isn't necessary to use it now unless the Wings plan to be near the cap.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

I don't by any means think Jurco or Teemu are NHL ready...probably not even close. But they'd be a better option than a 3 mill Cleary. He skates like the Timbits at intermission, leaning on his stick for balance and falls over when grazed. I'm kind of done watching him play for Detroit.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

2.5 is a great deal for us in regard to Brunner, I don't care if he wants 6 years. I thought he'd come in closer to 3, maybe even 3.5 to keep him...

But 3 per for Cleary?! WTF?!

Yeah, I'm not understanding that logic.  A guy that's been hurt for 3 years, let's sign him to $3mil per when he's a bottom 6 player who played in the top 6 due to injuries.  I won't be getting gamecenter next year if Cleary re-signs and takes Tatar's spot yet again.  He's old news.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:31 PM

Commentary for Cleary:

 

Cleary skates down the left boards, trips over centre ice line, collects himself and continues down the boards.  He hits the blue line with mediocre speed and gets the puck as close as he can to his favorite shooting are, top of the circle, puck literally touching the boards, and he sends a wrister to the net......bread basket!  We never saw that coming!


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