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#161 wheelchairwing

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:19 PM

Can't we just put Sammy on LTIR? How can we still keep Tatar Sauce (I know, bad nickname right???)



#162 turbowhistle86

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:22 PM

Can't we just put Sammy on LTIR? How can we still keep Tatar Sauce (I know, bad nickname right???)


We let Filp walk, then try to trade Emmerton for a cardboard cutout of Parise. But seriously, the only way I see Tatar making this roster is if Helm doesn't return.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:29 PM

Well if they resign Cleary you can probably say goodbye to Tatar too.

Tatar is safe. When asked about which of the young guys will be permanent Red Wings next season Holland said, "Tatar, Nyquist, Andersson, Dekeyser, and Lashoff." It was on that hour special Q&A hosted by Mickey Redmond a few days back.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:33 PM

Can't we just put Sammy on LTIR? How can we still keep Tatar Sauce (I know, bad nickname right???)

Hell Sammy deserves to be on LTIR. He sure as hell has been injured for a long term. 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

1. Find some way to get rid of Samuelsson
2. Let Valerie walk.
3. Let Cleary walk, or sign him to a short, cheaper contract, and reduce his role to that of a bottom 6er.
4. Trade Emmerton for a pack of hockey cards.
5. Let White walk (pretty much a given at this point).
6. Sign Eric Nystrom.
7. Sign Ryane Clowe.

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So let White walk despite just losing another d man, and sign two forwards? Not a good idea really

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:46 PM

White has been off of the team for months. It's almost a 100% he's gone.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:06 PM

I'm almost 100 percent sure that he's outta options anyways meaning he isn't waiver exempt

He is...the only way he isn't on the Wings is if he's traded



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:17 PM

If Cleary gets 3 mill I think I will officially rage. The guy should be in the 1.5-2mill TOPS. Any more than that and Kenny is throwing money down the toilet. Although I must re-state we should NOT be re-signing him to ANY contract

Acording to Capgeek, Cleary made $3M last year.  You want him to take a 50% pay cut.  Did you watch the playoffs this year?  He was really good.

 

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:36 PM

Acording to Capgeek, Cleary made $3M last year.  You want him to take a 50% pay cut.  Did you watch the playoffs this year?  He was really good.

 

Rage away

 

Statistically he was, however he wasn't that good. It does help when you get to play with D and Z when you really shouldn't be. Brunner played third line minutes and still managed to have the same amount of points. We would have probably done better if Brunner played on the 2nd line but our 3rd line would have sucked because Cleary was on it instead and he would not have had 10 points.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:41 PM

 
Statistically he was, however he wasn't that good. It does help when you get to play with D and Z when you really shouldn't be. Brunner played third line minutes and still managed to have the same amount of points. We would have probably done better if Brunner played on the 2nd line but our 3rd line would have sucked because Cleary was on it instead and he would not have had 10 points.


Flawed logic. You gotta give credit to Cleary where it is due. Franzen and Filppula both spent significant time playing with Z and Pavel during the playoffs and neither of them did anything offensively.
 
 
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

Flawed logic. You gotta give credit to Cleary where it is due. Franzen and Filppula both spent significant time playing with Z and Pavel during the playoffs and neither of them did anything offensively.


Yea regardless of how good Cleary was I'm one playoff run he does not help this team moving forward and is just extra cap on the team inhibiting us signing a young forward or bringing someone up. We need to get younger not get older.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:04 PM

I am chuckling at the lot of you who are putting your trust in Helene St. James.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

Yea regardless of how good Cleary was I'm one playoff run he does not help this team moving forward and is just extra cap on the team inhibiting us signing a young forward or bringing someone up. We need to get younger not get older.

 

I agree to an extent. The price and term for me is the biggest factor regarding Cleary. I think he's valuable enough to the team to bring back, provided he plays in a lesser role. However, that requires Holland making moves in free agency to shore up the top-six and that doesn't appear very likely right now. The Red Wings are getting younger regardless, though it's asking a lot to throw Nyquist and Tatar in major roles right away expecting production. Despite Cleary's flaws physically, he's still reliable on the ice against the opposition's skilled forwards. The Wings' third line was largely successful in the playoffs because they were matched up against other third liners. I'm all for the youth as well, but you gotta be careful about putting them in positions to succeed. 


 
 
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:54 PM

I am chuckling at the lot of you who are putting your trust in Helene St. James.

Shes not a journalist, but she is a pretty good parrot. She doesn't have a critical thinking bone in her body and will just say what she is told by Holland and Co.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:13 PM

Cleary has been big for the Wings but he also has been out right terrible. At this point in his career i don't think he can be considered a top six guy anymore. Kenny needs to sign him to a 4.5 over 2 years deal. Im sorry but all he has is a ton of heart and as much as this team needs that it just isn't worth anymore money.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:37 PM

Shes not a journalist, but she is a pretty good parrot. She doesn't have a critical thinking bone in her body and will just say what she is told by Holland and Co.

 

Isn't that a reporter's job: to report what she learns/hears without bias?



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

Hell Sammy deserves to be on LTIR. He sure as hell has been injured for a long term. 

 

I wonder, if he does become healthy in the future -- and if the level of his play / roster spot crunch determines that he doesn't fit with the club -- whether it is possible to still bury a player and their cap hit in the minors?

I feel like I've asked this before on here, but of course I can't remember the answer...

 

In any case, it seems to me that burying him would be better than exposing a young player to the waiver wire, considering there's little chance Sammy would be resigned again (though who knows)

 



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

 

Isn't that a reporter's job: to report what she learns/hears without bias?

No, if that was what a reporter did there would be no need for learning journalism. The point of being a reporter is to be able to think, make connections, dig, not just take everything at face value and parrot.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

Would be cool if Holland came out tomorrow and said "they had their chance" and let Flip, Brunner, and Cleary go. These guys are small potatoes. Last year, they cost us 7 million. Next year, 10 million. Mo thanks. I'd rather have Horton and Clarkson for 6.5 million each (13 mil) than Flip at 4, Cleary at 3, Brunner at 3, and Sammy at 3. Holland is so fricking dumb.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:59 PM

Mo thanks.

 

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