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#361 darkmanx

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:26 AM

 

I miss Lids :(

 

I miss him and Homer. We saw last year what a huge impact Homer had on this team, no one can fill his shoes.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:54 PM

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My impression is that Sens fans feel their shot is just as legitimate as ours.

 

Something no one's talking about: he picked the Wings over the Bruins.

 

 

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My impression is that Sens fans feel their shot is just as legitimate as ours.

 

Something no one's talking about: he picked the Wings over the Bruins.

 

That's saying something to Sens fans. 


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:32 PM

 

I miss him and Homer. We saw last year what a huge impact Homer had on this team, no one can fill his shoes.

 

It's funny, given how many perfectionists here were pissed that he was on the team at all in his last two seasons.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:26 PM

 

I miss him and Homer. We saw last year what a huge impact Homer had on this team, no one can fill his shoes.

 

Obviously the perfect human will be even more missed this season (82 compared to 47 games)but I also miss former great role players such as Holmer, Downey, McCarty you know the non flashy guys who's presence helped on and off the ice.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:39 AM

Not sure this deserved its own thread, but looks like Melnyk is doing some shady stuff:

 

http://www.sbnation....nators-finances

 

 

 

 

 

Over much of the 2013 offseason, Hockeybuzz blogger Travis Yost reported on the financial woes of Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk. As of Sunday morning, however, every single post that Yost wrote in the past several years has disappeared from Hockeybuzz's website, and Yost's Twitter account has vanished from the web.

If you connect the dots, it seems possible that Melnyk -- at least tangentially -- has something to do with the disappearance of Yost's work.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

It's funny, given how many perfectionists here were pissed that he was on the team at all in his last two seasons.

An aging vet who falls down a lot but plays fearless, does the dirty work, and is all heart, yet in spite of that people act like he's total garbage and can't wait to kick him off the team?

hmm... that sounds strangely familiar.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:41 AM

An aging vet who falls down a lot but plays fearless, does the dirty work, and is all heart, yet in spite of that people act like he's total garbage and can't wait to kick him off the team?

hmm... that sounds strangely familiar.

 

I'd say the big difference is Holmstrom was a specialist. No one could do what he could do, even when he was at the end of his career.

 

Cleary? We like his..."veteran leadership."


Unless you're talking about Alfredsson?


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:56 AM

I'd say the big difference is Holmstrom was a specialist. No one could do what he could do, even when he was at the end of his career.
 
Cleary? We like his..."veteran leadership."

Unless you're talking about Alfredsson?

Cleary. No one could replace Homer's skills in screening and deflecting pucks but Cleary picked up a lot of the slack left by him. Fearless in front of the net, retrieving pucks from the corners, not afraid to go to any part of the ice.

And Cleary gave a lot more to this team than veteran leadership. To be clear I'm not saying the Wings should re-sign him. They're neck deep in forwards and I have doubts about Cleary's health going forward. But the vitriol for him here was ridiculous. People acted like it was Cleary's fault he was getting PP time and not a shortcoming of the roster.

He's a warrior and was second on the team in scoring behind only Zetterberg. And those points weren't luck. You make your own luck through hard work, which Cleary did every shift. What he did wasn't pretty, but it was effective.

My point was in terms of how people talk about Cleary, it's reminiscent of how they talked about Homer near the end, only worse. It's always interesting to see what players become almost like a mascot here who can do no wrong, and how people start to sour on other players and it quickly snowballs.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:38 PM

For the record (and I said this is one of the other threads): I love Cleary's heart, grit, determination, will, etc. I love Postseason Cleary. That Holland seems to want him back even now - it makes me think he really is very valuable as a leader, motivating force, teacher. And, hey, a good ole no-nonsense Canadian? Can never have too many of those on a hockey team.

 

Except, Cleary's old. And his knees don't work. And pace is a big issue. And he doesn't have a "specialty" like Holmstrom did. And we're talking about a full season now. 82 games, probably plus the playoffs.

 

Now, you could maybe make the same aguments against Alfredsson. Except, you can't. Even at 40, or however old he is, he's still a pretty dynamic force (relatively speaking). He's a guy who could, I think, really fit in the top-six without it feeling forced and super-cringeworthy.

 

Slightly bigger picture: Alfredsson, Bertuzzi, Cleary, Samuelsson. And we're supposed to be getting younger...?

 

But I don't want to turn this into a Cleary thread or anything like that.

 

Poor Yost. :confused:


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:34 AM

An aging vet who falls down a lot but plays fearless, does the dirty work, and is all heart, yet in spite of that people act like he's total garbage and can't wait to kick him off the team?

hmm... that sounds strangely familiar.

 

Call me when Cleary becomes one of the best net-front presences in the league and an important part of the power play. Beaten-up, slow, 39-year-old Holmstrom in his last season was valuable in ways that 2013 Cleary wasn't. 



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:26 AM

 

Call me when Cleary becomes one of the best net-front presences in the league and an important part of the power play. Beaten-up, slow, 39-year-old Holmstrom in his last season was valuable in ways that 2013 Cleary wasn't. 

 

Conversely, Cleary did many things that Holmstrom never could. Nobody could replace Holmstrom's ability in front of the net. I would argue Cleary was one of the few on the team willing/able to fill that role. In fact, Cleary and Abdelkader were the two forwards consistently willing to play in the tough areas of the ice last season. 

 

The point still holds true. You ripped anyone that didn't want Holmstrom around, yet practically everyone here loves to jump on the anti-Cleary bandwagon. 

 

To clarify, I don't want Cleary back either, but the whipping boy status Cleary has garnered went way overboard. 


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:50 PM

maybe now he'll pick a number

 

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:02 AM

They put the address? 

 

Sure, that won't encourage any bitter Sens fans to do anything....


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:36 AM

 

Conversely, Cleary did many things that Holmstrom never could. Nobody could replace Holmstrom's ability in front of the net. I would argue Cleary was one of the few on the team willing/able to fill that role. In fact, Cleary and Abdelkader were the two forwards consistently willing to play in the tough areas of the ice last season.

 

I know this was directed at Crymson and stuff, but, I just want to say, I'm really not sure why there's this great big battle over Cleary. Like, I get that people think other people went, like, way overboard in trashing him. But...so what? What's the angle? "HE HAS HEART. AND WILLINGNESS." OK, got it. Thing is, he's also over-the-hill. His knees don't work. The season's 82+ games long. And even Ken Holland - Ken Holland! - seems to have jumped off the Cleary ship, so to speak.

 

I dunno. I guess I feel like, if we've got a problem with our net-font game (and we do), and Dan Cleary is, like, the only guy keeping it afloat...that's a serious, serious problem. And the solution, I think, isn't to just hold Cleary until he's 65 years old. Maybe we get exposed, and, in turn, pounded. I'd be ok with that, because (you'd think) it would force Holland's hand (i.e. he'd have to pick someone up. Maybe, I dunno, a legitimate power-forward. Or, hey, maybe one of the 8 billion "grinder-type" guys we have could step up to the proverbial plate.)

 

I think Bertuzzi will be counted on to take that beating in front of the net, to a reasonable extent. I think Tatar likes playing in that area. I think Franzen has shown a willingness....


I think Weiss could be Cleary 2.0, in a good way.


I think Alfredsson is gonna battle like the badass-old-geezer-who-just-pissed-off-an-entire-city that he is.

 

I don't see much of a need for Cleary, and I think on this much, at least, we can all agree.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:54 AM

 

I know this was directed at Crymson and stuff, but, I just want to say, I'm really not sure why there's this great big battle over Cleary. Like, I get that people think other people went, like, way overboard in trashing him. But...so what? What's the angle? "HE HAS HEART. AND WILLINGNESS." OK, got it. Thing is, he's also over-the-hill. His knees don't work. The season's 82+ games long. And even Ken Holland - Ken Holland! - seems to have jumped off the Cleary ship, so to speak.

 

I dunno. I guess I feel like, if we've got a problem with our net-font game (and we do), and Dan Cleary is, like, the only guy keeping it afloat...that's a serious, serious problem. And the solution, I think, isn't to just hold Cleary until he's 65 years old. Maybe we get exposed, and, in turn, pounded. I'd be ok with that, because (you'd think) it would force Holland's hand (i.e. he'd have to pick someone up. Maybe, I dunno,  legitimate power-forward. Or, hey, mabe one of the 8 billion "grinder-type" guys we have could step up to the proverbial plate.)

 

I thin Bertuzzi will be counted on to take that beating in front of the net, to a reasonable extent. I think Tatar likes playing in that area. I think Franzen has showed a willingness....


I think Weiss could be Cleary 2.0, in a good way.


I think Alfredsson is gonna battle like the badass-old-geezer-who-just-pissed-off-an-entire-city that he is.

 

I don't see much of a need for Cleary, and I think on this much, at least, we can all agree.

Basically this. Whether you like Cleary or hate him there really is absolutely no upside of bringing him back at this point. 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:31 AM

I think we all like Cleary. But as a role player. Babcock likes to pretend he's a top 6 scorer.

If we didn't have such a backlog of players I'm sure most of us would be fine with him returning if he was kept in his proper role.
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:48 AM

maybe now he'll pick a number

 

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:17 AM

I think we all like Cleary. But as a role player. Babcock likes to pretend he's a top 6 scorer.

If we didn't have such a backlog of players I'm sure most of us would be fine with him returning if he was kept in his proper role.

 

THIS time 1000!

 

I think back to the trade smith thread that popped up in the playoffs. there was like 1 guy that actually wanted to trade him and everyone else in there just wanted him to sit for a game or two to get his head straight. its the same thing here; its not that people hate cleary or wish him ill fortune, we just hate seeing him brought back and given way too much of a role. especially at the expense of younger players. and while theres the idea that young players have to earn their time, we all know darned well no matter how well they play, when they have waiver exemption, they always end up getting sent down.

 

we all know babcock is an amazing coach. it just seems that on certain issues he remains stubborn. this is one where i think a majority of the fan base disagrees with how much slack cleary is given. and just because babcock is an nhl coach doesnt mean hes infallible. he can be wrong. so when ever people cop out on the 'i think ill trust the nhl coach' crap can just save it.

 

worst of all, the lgw backlash gets totally blown out of proportion. there are so many posts about how cleary is the whipping boy and how he is irrationally treated by other fans. but if you look at a majority of the cleary dislike, its often just frustration of how much ice time he gets or the linemates he gets. its not like people are insluting his family or anything.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:15 PM

 

worst of all, the lgw backlash gets totally blown out of proportion. there are so many posts about how cleary is the whipping boy and how he is irrationally treated by other fans. but if you look at a majority of the cleary dislike, its often just frustration of how much ice time he gets or the linemates he gets. its not like people are insluting his family or anything.

 

I guess people see what they want to see.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:02 PM

Back to Alfredsson practicing with the Senators, Brendan Savage mentioned this in an article about Helm:

 

The other Red Wings who joined Helm on the Joe Louis Arena ice Thursday were Jimmy Howard, Jonathan Ericsson, Todd Bertuzzi, Johan Franzen, Niklas Kronwall, Drew Miller, Brendan Smith and Mikael Samuelsson.

Other players on hand included former Red Wings forward Valtteri Filppula, who signed as a free agent with the Tampa Bay Lightning, Vancouver Canucks forward Ryan Kesler and Nathan Gerbe, who spent the last five seasons with the Buffalo Sabres. Kesler and Gerbe are Michigan natives.

 

 

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I know it's a different situation with Alfredsson, but in general I don't think it's as big of deal to the players having former teammates work out together.  Wonder what jersey Flip wore? 







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