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#61 matthewdanna

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:35 PM

We need a top pairing Defenseman and I feel we could be a real contender for Eastern champs

 

Agreed, preferably Right-Handed... Zach Bogosian?


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:44 PM

I'm interested to see who we go after next offseason with 20+ mil coming off the books, not including a buyout


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 09:04 PM

Nyquist  -  Helm  -  Tatar

 

How badly I want to see this third line night in and out. Absolute killer 3rd line. One top Defenseman added would be a very nice touch and with injuries probably something we need. 


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:16 PM

 

Agreed, preferably Right-Handed... Zach Bogosian?

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 12:08 AM

You guys are being silly... the Red Wings defense is fine and right on par with most other teams in the league. It is far better than s***sburg's for example, better than the Rangers, the Habs, the Kings, the Ducks, etc. Keep in mind, we will now have Danny Dekeyser for an entire season... look at his impact he had once we signed him. Even Babs said we did not make playoffs had we not signed him. Also, last year we had tons of injuries to our Defense so they were never really able to mesh with a partner. I think Smith especially will show much more offense abilities this year while he gets to mesh with a partner. 

 

This is the lineup I think Babs will look to start the season with and it looks damn good to me.

 

Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Abdelkator

Alfredson- Weiss- Franzen

Nyquivst- Helm- Tatar (omg that 3rd line is just beautifully filled with speed and skill)

Eaves- Anderson- Miller/Bertuzzi

 

Kronwall- Ericsson

Dekeyser- Smith (I really want Babs to try this out)

Kindl- Quincy

 

Obviously this means Cleary, Brunner walk, and Kenny trades Sammy and Tootoo for picks which I am more than okay with. 

 

I think this is a SOLID team.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:34 AM

You guys are being silly... the Red Wings defense is fine and right on par with most other teams in the league. It is far better than s***sburg's for example, better than the Rangers, the Habs, the Kings, the Ducks, etc. Keep in mind, we will now have Danny Dekeyser for an entire season... look at his impact he had once we signed him. Even Babs said we did not make playoffs had we not signed him. Also, last year we had tons of injuries to our Defense so they were never really able to mesh with a partner. I think Smith especially will show much more offense abilities this year while he gets to mesh with a partner. 
 
This is the lineup I think Babs will look to start the season with and it looks damn good to me.
 
Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Abdelkator
Alfredson- Weiss- Franzen
Nyquivst- Helm- Tatar (omg that 3rd line is just beautifully filled with speed and skill)
Eaves- Anderson- Miller/Bertuzzi
 
Kronwall- Ericsson
Dekeyser- Smith (I really want Babs to try this out)
Kindl- Quincy
 
Obviously this means Cleary, Brunner walk, and Kenny trades Sammy and Tootoo for picks which I am more than okay with. 
 
I think this is a SOLID team.

Your joking right our Defense is lacking a number one Pairing guy even Babs has been saying that. I think we are one top Defenseman away from being a big threat

Nyquist  -  Helm  -  Tatar
 
How badly I want to see this third line night in and out. Absolute killer 3rd line. One top Defenseman added would be a very nice touch and with injuries probably something we need. 

If Helm is truly healthy I think it might be the best in the NHL
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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:36 AM

 

Agreed, preferably Right-Handed... Zach Bogosian?

I'd love him - but I'd hate the cost to trade for him. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

Nyquist. Datsyuk. Franzen
Zetterberg Weiss. Alfredsson
Tatar. Andersson. Bertuzzi
Abdelkader Helm. Miller/Tootoo

Emmerton
Eaves
Sammy

No one knows if Helm is going to be able to play unfortunately, btw.

Your post is a good illustration of the fact that
With this roster, the line combos are virtually endless. Babcock is going to have fun matching up against other teams and keeping chemistry fresh.

Edited by T.Low, 06 July 2013 - 10:48 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:32 AM

Your post is a good illustration of the fact that
With this roster, the line combos are virtually endless. Babcock is going to have fun matching up against other teams and keeping chemistry fresh.

 

Haha yah Babs is probably sitting at home playing NHL 13 with this new team and changing the lines every game while he waits for the season to begin :P



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:15 AM

When I think about who is on their way out, I worry that it may very well be Tatar. He's one of Detroit's most valuable assets, of course, but he's also rather outspoken and can't manage to get more than a cup of coffee with the big club despite his successes in the AHL.

Total speculation, but I wonder if maybe he and management don't quite see eye-to-eye.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Anyone who thinks our blue line is "fine" is asking for some kind of cosmic beat-down.

 

Our D overachieved last season. I pity the fool who counts on that happening again. What if we lose two key pieces for an extended period of time? What if Quincey and/or Kindl suck? What if Ericsson relapses? What if DeKeyser struggles mightily? What if Smith legally changes his middle name to Adventure?

 

If we want to make a legitimate run for the Cup this season, we'd be wise to add a high-end piece to our D corps.

 

Dan Girardi FTW.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

I feel like if were going to get a top end defenseman Tatar or Nyquist are going to be in the deal somewhere

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

When I think about who is on their way out, I worry that it may very well be Tatar. He's one of Detroit's most valuable assets, of course, but he's also rather outspoken and can't manage to get more than a cup of coffee with the big club despite his successes in the AHL.

Total speculation, but I wonder if maybe he and management don't quite see eye-to-eye.

 

The "official story" there is, I think, that The Powers That Be have been consciously manipulating him in the hopes that they might get him to play out of his mind.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:06 AM

I'm interested to see who we go after next offseason with 20+ mil coming off the books, not including a buyout


It will be used to sign 5 over 35 under 6'0 Europeans. What makes anyone think Holland will ever change?

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:06 AM

Detroit is posturing itself to acquire that top defensemen IMO.  They obviously are not going to let Smith, Nyquist OR Andersson walk via RFA and with only $2.3M left in capspace, they will need to trade some players away to get below the cap by October.  I had heard that the reason the didn't buyout Sammy is that he was injured and they couldn't.  This will most likely also prevent him from being traded, who wants a healthy Sammy, let alone an injured one?  I think Holland waits a bit to see if Helm gets the go ahead to play before he trades some depth.  If Helm gets the A O.K. for full speed ahead, I can see Emmerton being traded for sure, although his salary is VERY cheap and manageable.  You have to shed Sammy's salary somehow, it's a no brainer, also you have to dump Q.  That opens up $6.75M more space.  If Brunner fell out of favor with the Wings for his disappointing season (which I though went well, and a great playoff) then Q had to REALLY disappoint them, one would think.  The emergence of Kindl last season (who I was more than ready to ship off) makes Q expendable, IMO...

 

It's my opinion that Sammy and Bert get buried LTIR, Q and Emmy (plus more) get traded in a deal for a top defender and I do believe that Brunner will be back.  For pete's sake, he was 5th in scoring this year and 3rd in playoff scoring, leading with 5 goals. It makes no sense that he would be let go...unless the rumored $2.5M he is asking for is wrong and he wants more...Cleary should absolutely walk or take a spot in the office somewhere...

 

Now, who is acquired is a different matter.  For one, I don't even know who is on the block anywhere.  Is Visnovsky still wanting out of the Island? I know he re-signed there, but is he happy? Would he be happier in Detroit? Islanders need a backup goalie, maybe package Q and Monster for Visnovsky... that along with the LTIR of Bert and Sammy, would open up $5.6M (adding in Visnovsky's $4.75M) to re-sign the kids...

 

That would give you a roster like this:

 

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Franzen - Weiss - Brunner

Nyquist - Helm - Tatar

Miller - Andersson - Abdelkader

Eaves - Emmerton - Tootoo

 

Kronwall - Visnovsky

Dekeyser - Ericsson

Smith - Kindl

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Nestrasil, yes...Cleary....No!

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:13 AM

If we could move some "dead money" on pine riders for a good defenseman I'd have to rethink my stance on Holland and eat crow.


You really think someone is going to trade a good defenseman for Tootoo, Samuelsson or Bertuzzi? Share with me what you've been smoking, please!

Holland has backed himself into a corner and our choices are trading a good young player like Nyquist or Tatar or trying to give away Tootoo, Eaves or Emmerton. Everyone knows Holland has too many players and is over the cap. Who's going to offer anything?

Detroit is posturing itself to acquire that top defensemen IMO.  They obviously are not going to let Smith, Nyquist OR Andersson walk via RFA and with only $2.3M left in capspace, they will need to trade some players away to get below the cap by October.  I had heard that the reason the didn't buyout Sammy is that he was injured and they couldn't.  This will most likely also prevent him from being traded, who wants a healthy Sammy, let alone an injured one?  I think Holland waits a bit to see if Helm gets the go ahead to play before he trades some depth.  If Helm gets the A O.K. for full speed ahead, I can see Emmerton being traded for sure, although his salary is VERY cheap and manageable.  You have to shed Sammy's salary somehow, it's a no brainer, also you have to dump Q.  That opens up $6.75M more space.  If Brunner fell out of favor with the Wings for his disappointing season (which I though went well, and a great playoff) then Q had to REALLY disappoint them, one would think.  The emergence of Kindl last season (who I was more than ready to ship off) makes Q expendable, IMO...
 
It's my opinion that Sammy and Bert get buried LTIR, Q and Emmy (plus more) get traded in a deal for a top defender and I do believe that Brunner will be back.  For pete's sake, he was 5th in scoring this year and 3rd in playoff scoring, leading with 5 goals. It makes no sense that he would be let go...unless the rumored $2.5M he is asking for is wrong and he wants more...Cleary should absolutely walk or take a spot in the office somewhere...
 
Now, who is acquired is a different matter.  For one, I don't even know who is on the block anywhere.  Is Visnovsky still wanting out of the Island? I know he re-signed there, but is he happy? Would he be happier in Detroit? Islanders need a backup goalie, maybe package Q and Monster for Visnovsky... that along with the LTIR of Bert and Sammy, would open up $5.6M (adding in Visnovsky's $4.75M) to re-sign the kids...
 
That would give you a roster like this:
 
Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Alfredsson
Franzen - Weiss - Brunner
Nyquist - Helm - Tatar
Miller - Andersson - Abdelkader
Eaves - Emmerton - Tootoo
 
Kronwall - Visnovsky
Dekeyser - Ericsson
Smith - Kindl
Lashoff
 
Howard
Coreau


You can't just put a player on LTIR. They have rules. Samuelsson has told anyone who will listen that he does not need surgery. Betruzzi played last post season. Chris Pronger is legitimately injured with severe concussion symptoms. The only reason they aren't taking him off LTIR is because of the big contract. But they can keep him there because he IS hurt.

Edited by Playmaker, 07 July 2013 - 09:14 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:26 AM

Sammy/Bert/Tootoo.

This is our nightmare.

Can we get rid of them?

Is there a team willing to buy our draft picks = taking on these 3 guys for a couple first rounders.

Red Wings trade:

Bertuzzi
Samuelsson
Tootoo
2014 1st Rounder
2015 1st Rounder

Florida Trades:

2015 7th Rounder

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:28 AM

Bertuzzi should just retire.  He and Samuelsson are handcuffing the team.

 

Cleary should not be re-signed.  That's on Holland.

 

Tootoo is not to blame for anything.  He's the only completely blameless person on the entire roster.  


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:36 AM

Sammy/Bert/Tootoo.

This is our nightmare.

Can we get rid of them?

Is there a team willing to buy our draft picks = taking on these 3 guys for a couple first rounders.

Red Wings trade:

Bertuzzi
Samuelsson
Tootoo
2014 1st Rounder
2015 1st Rounder

Florida Trades:

2015 7th Rounder


You have to be joking. That is a disaster.

If Holland wants Bert gone, he would have bought him out. Same for Tootoo. So why would we trade our picks for the same relief?

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:39 AM

Bertuzzi should just retire.  He and Samuelsson are handcuffing the team.
 
Cleary should not be re-signed.  That's on Holland.
 
Tootoo is not to blame for anything.  He's the only completely blameless person on the entire roster.


Why would he give up a couple of million because Holland was stupid?

Samulesson has a NO TRADE CLAUSE. He can't be traded, can't be bought out, can't be put on LTIR. Ugh.

I agree about Tootoo. It isn't his fault, I'm not a huge fan, but I think he did pretty much what I expected, but for whatever reason, they signed him to 3 years yet don't want what he brings to the table.





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