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#221 DeGraa55

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:21 PM

The Zetterberg contract was actually pretty good. Z is probly one of the best shut down forwards in the NHL and hes a great playmaker. He can do it all and he has a cap hit of what 6.1 million per season for the rest of his contract? Look at Datsyuks: He's the best player in NHL and his cap hit is 6.7 million. Compare that to players like Getzlaf with a cap hit of 8.3 million for the next 8 years. So yes Holland does do a good job of managing the cap hit. He's got the best duo in the NHL (better than the Sedins if you consider backchecking and forechecking) and he managed to pay them far less than most high end forwards in the league. 
Franzens a high 20 goal scorer (28ish) and his cap hit is 4 million. I don't care if Franzens lazy, he puts up 27 or 28 goals per season and has a low cap hit. These are steals in my opinion.



See I'm not saying they're bad players(well franzen I am). So don't make that mistake again. Its just that signing guys to 10 years deals ya its good in the short term but long term? No. Not one of those three will be worth the money at the end. And if they retire before contract is up it cripples us. Z is three years younger than dat(or two too lazy to look) but he is declining at a faster rate.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:40 PM

See I'm not saying they're bad players(well franzen I am). So don't make that mistake again. Its just that signing guys to 10 years deals ya its good in the short term but long term? No. Not one of those three will be worth the money at the end. And if they retire before contract is up it cripples us. Z is three years younger than dat(or two too lazy to look) but he is declining at a faster rate.

I didnt say you thought the players were bad. You were talkin about how Holland signs these guys too long and mentioned Z and Franzens contract. I was pointing out that Zetts contract is not bad, it was good. Here's why: Zetterberg's salary lowers every year, meaning his contract was front loaded - which means he got paid big for the first few years of his contract and eventually in 2018 his salary will drop to 3 million followed by 1 million for the next two years. That's a smart move in my opinion since he got paid big early during his "prime" and his value drops as he ages. 

 

Also, I don't agree with the idea that Zetterberg is "declining" at a faster rate than Datsyuk. If you look at their numbers, both have had about the same point total decline since 2010 season. Part of it has to do with the fact that they've been split up and our teams roster has shedded since 2010. And this season both had 48 and 47 points respectively in 47 and 46 games played.  So in my opinion, their point production is at about the same rate of decline.

 

Datsyuks two years older btw. 



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:47 PM

I'm happy.  I would have been happier if we could have kept Brunner, but the guy is a fool for leaving for money.  Sign a 2 year deal with us for 2.5 milion, play your ass off, prove yourself, and then cash in (all under 30 years old, too).

 

Now if we are going to sign Cleary, please let it be for 2 years, not 3.  I honestly would rather see us give the kids a chance, but I understand that Cleary brings a lot of leadership and competitive edge that is beneficial for the kids to feed off of.  Also, he is a Babcock favorite because he competes.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:58 PM

This offseason was PERFECT. Next years crop is fantastic...Perfect set up for next year. (Bert, Sammy, Alfie, Quincey off books)
This team will contend for the East.
No travel for our "aging" stars = healthier, faster team.
We're going to be a problem for most teams in the east


Which big ufa guy actually won't re-sign with his team? I ad high hopes for Pietrangelo but sice Kenny like Burke hats offer sheets Wings won't even think about it...

So far nothing has changed compared to yesterday if Brunner walks good luck replacing him

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

 

Oh, yes, you've had such a tough time watching the most successful team of the past 20 years.

 

I'm afraid in 10 years you'll be like one of those older Montreal fans always raving about the past and pointing to the rafters.   


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:08 PM

The Zetterberg contract was actually pretty good. Z is probly one of the best shut down forwards in the NHL and hes a great playmaker. He can do it all and he has a cap hit of what 6.1 million per season for the rest of his contract? Look at Datsyuks: He's the best player in NHL and his cap hit is 6.7 million. Compare that to players like Getzlaf with a cap hit of 8.3 million for the next 8 years. So yes Holland does do a good job of managing the cap hit. He's got the best duo in the NHL (better than the Sedins if you consider backchecking and forechecking) and he managed to pay them far less than most high end forwards in the league. 

Franzens a high 20 goal scorer (28ish) and his cap hit is 4 million. I don't care if Franzens lazy, he puts up 27 or 28 goals per season and has a low cap hit. These are steals in my opinion. 


Agree with everything, except the best duo parr.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:16 PM

I'll be happy if we can somehow trade Sammy to another team for a broken stick. Not sure how I feel about Alfie coming in being 40 years old. I was hoping we could get someone much younger who we could use for more than a year, but hey who knows he could be a good pick up.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

every Ottawa insider hates Detroit now. Calling their team a upcoming champion basicially and calling Detroit for the 12th year in a row...old

They seem to blank out the fact it was the Sens captain who choose to come here, so what does that really say about how respected your organization is. Alfy wanted to finish his career with some fellow swedes and now that Ottawa is mad and has a reason to prove him wrong, i think our swedes have something to prove too...to providing him a cup hes never had.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:33 PM

every Ottawa insider hates Detroit now. Calling their team a upcoming champion basicially and calling Detroit for the 12th year in a row...old

They seem to blank out the fact it was the Sens captain who choose to come here, so what does that really say about how respected your organization is. Alfy wanted to finish his career with some fellow swedes and now that Ottawa is mad and has a reason to prove him wrong, i think our swedes have something to prove too...to providing him a cup hes never had.

 

Didn't think about this, but aren't we division rivals now?  Would make this move a little more controversial.  


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 07:02 PM

See I'm not saying they're bad players(well franzen I am). So don't make that mistake again. Its just that signing guys to 10 years deals ya its good in the short term but long term? No. Not one of those three will be worth the money at the end. And if they retire before contract is up it cripples us. Z is three years younger than dat(or two too lazy to look) but he is declining at a faster rate.

Yet you wanted lecavalier (a player that is worse now than Zetterberg will be at 35) for 5 years

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 07:10 PM

I'm on the fence as of now. Don't really like the Alfie signing.

 

Weiss signing I'm ok with.

 

Brunner looks like he is gone. I'm pissed

 

IF Cleary resigns with us I'm going to be more pissed off.

 

 

Pretty interesting middle of summer so far....



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:20 PM

Signing Weiss is great, especially for less money than Fil.

 

Signing Alfie is spectacular, don't know how anyone can be disapppointed by that. A guy desperate to win a cup who can still play, who will inspire everyone on the team. 

 

If we lose Brunner and re-sign Cleary I'll be less impressed, but if we re-sign Brunner and let Cleary go it'll be a perfect off-season. 



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

Yet you wanted lecavalier (a player that is worse now than Zetterberg will be at 35) for 5 years




He was always a worse overall player than z wow. I can't believe you just posted that lol. Kids these days.


Difference is he brings an element we need where Weiss doesn't. And he will be just fine. He will actually be the best overall deal signed out of this weak class of free agents. Looking at the guys making 4m or more. He was the best deal I think.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

Signing Weiss is great, especially for less money than Fil.
 
Signing Alfie is spectacular, don't know how anyone can be disapppointed by that. A guy desperate to win a cup who can still play, who will inspire everyone on the team. 
 
If we lose Brunner and re-sign Cleary I'll be less impressed, but if we re-sign Brunner and let Cleary go it'll be a perfect off-season. 


Agreed. Minus the Samuelsson nonsense.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:59 PM

We replaced a 2nd line euro for a Canadian. That alone has brought the Redwings more desire for a cup then last year. Not saying euros don't dream of the cup but every Canadian hockey player dreams of it daily.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

I didnt say you thought the players were bad. You were talkin about how Holland signs these guys too long and mentioned Z and Franzens contract. I was pointing out that Zetts contract is not bad, it was good. Here's why: Zetterberg's salary lowers every year, meaning his contract was front loaded - which means he got paid big for the first few years of his contract and eventually in 2018 his salary will drop to 3 million followed by 1 million for the next two years. That's a smart move in my opinion since he got paid big early during his "prime" and his value drops as he ages. 

 

Also, I don't agree with the idea that Zetterberg is "declining" at a faster rate than Datsyuk. If you look at their numbers, both have had about the same point total decline since 2010 season. Part of it has to do with the fact that they've been split up and our teams roster has shedded since 2010. And this season both had 48 and 47 points respectively in 47 and 46 games played.  So in my opinion, their point production is at about the same rate of decline.

 

Datsyuks two years older btw. 

It doesn't matter about when the money is paid. What matters is the cap hit. Z'ds cap hit is 6 million per year. be it the first year or last year of his deal. if he walks away, the cap hit could go up! So even in his last year, while making 1 million, the cap hit is 6 million. That is the part that matters. same is true with franzen and Kronwall. All are signed until they are 40 ish, and all have big cap hits.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

See I'm not saying they're bad players(well franzen I am). So don't make that mistake again. Its just that signing guys to 10 years deals ya its good in the short term but long term? No. Not one of those three will be worth the money at the end. And if they retire before contract is up it cripples us. Z is three years younger than dat(or two too lazy to look) but he is declining at a faster rate.

 

Z is the epitome of what an NHL captain should be. He is worth every cent of his contract and will be of great value every year for numerous reasons.

 

This season alone he nearly singlehandedly willed the Wings into the playoffs. He said that the playoff streak wouldn't end under his watch and it didn't. I trust him going forward too.

 

Furthermore, the Wings applauded the crowd after every home game. Nice touch. Many players also went out of their way to thank FSD after the Anaheim series for their broadcasts this past season. Another nice gesture.

 

Why did the team behave this way? Because of Z's leadership. For years he has proven to be a highly skilled, two way player who gives his all every game. After this season, he has also demonstrated himself to be a classy captain. I, for one, am glad the Wings will have this amazing player on the team for the duration of his contract.  He's an All-Star and a great ambassador for the organization.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

This offseason is something of  a bad joke. We sign a soon to be 41 year old. Over his last 4 full seasons, not including this year, Alfie has averaged 70 games and 20 goals. His injuries have gone up and hid production has gone down. Which is to be expected.

Weiss may be an ok deal. If Cleary comes back, the joke turns into a nightmare. Where are the young guys going to play? if they are not going to play, then why do we have them on the team? Why didn't we move them? If we are going to play them, then why are we signing old guys to multi year contracts and tying up the money? As of today we don't have enough cap left to resign our RFA's. Smith, Nyquist, and Andersson need to be resigned. With what cap?

Just not sure what the game plan is here. Yes there are a couple of months before camp, so I hope it becomes clearer soon.


 

Z is the epitome of what an NHL captain should be. He is worth every cent of his contract and will be of great value every year for numerous reasons.

 

This season alone he nearly singlehandedly willed the Wings into the playoffs. He said that the playoff streak wouldn't end under his watch and it didn't. I trust him going forward too.

 

Furthermore, the Wings applauded the crowd after every home game. Nice touch. Many players also went out of their way to thank FSD after the Anaheim series for their broadcasts this past season. Another nice gesture.

 

Why did the team behave this way? Because of Z's leadership. For years he has proven to be a highly skilled, two way player who gives his all every game. After this season, he has also demonstrated himself to be a classy captain. I, for one, am glad the Wings will have this amazing player on the team for the duration of his contract.  He's an All-Star and a great ambassador for the organization.

That is not new. It was also done by many team across the NHL to try and make up for the lock out. Z is a very good player and yes a good leader. But and this is the unknown, how will you feel if he is retired and we are still taking a 6 million per season cap hit for a couple years? BTW I fully understand this isn't his fault. He didn't write the contract-Holland did. Z, Franzen and Kronwall just signed the contracts.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:53 PM

 

Z is the epitome of what an NHL captain should be. He is worth every cent of his contract and will be of great value every year for numerous reasons.

 

This season alone he nearly singlehandedly willed the Wings into the playoffs. He said that the playoff streak wouldn't end under his watch and it didn't. I trust him going forward too.

 

Furthermore, the Wings applauded the crowd after every home game. Nice touch. Many players also went out of their way to thank FSD after the Anaheim series for their broadcasts this past season. Another nice gesture.

 

Why did the team behave this way? Because of Z's leadership. For years he has proven to be a highly skilled, two way player who gives his all every game. After this season, he has also demonstrated himself to be a classy captain. I, for one, am glad the Wings will have this amazing player on the team for the duration of his contract.  He's an All-Star and a great ambassador for the organization.

 

100 % agree. Put it this way, Davidf****** Clarkson makes 500k less than Zetterberg.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:53 PM

We replaced a 2nd line euro for a Canadian. That alone has brought the Redwings more desire for a cup then last year. Not saying euros don't dream of the cup but every Canadian hockey player dreams of it daily.

So? It isn't about dreams. It is about talent and more important: production.


 

100 % agree. Put it this way, Davidf****** Clarkson makes 500k less than Zetterberg.

scores more goals too!







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