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#21 wingsfan4795

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 02:59 PM

I think were miles better. I would have loved bobby Ryan, but Ottawa gave up a ton for him. Silverberg is likely going to be better than every one of our prospects, and he may end up being better than Ryan as well

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:01 PM

We are better than we were last year. Alfredsson and Weiss are better than Filppula and Cleary.


Yep...and as much as everyone thinks otherwise, Tatar could be better than Brunner this year. And he's younger, cheaper, with more potential. Offseason win for the Wings.
[quote name="wingsfan4795" post="2427307" timestamp="1373054386"]

I think were miles better. I would have loved bobby Ryan, but Ottawa gave up a ton for him. Silverberg is likely going to be better than every one of our prospects, and he may end up being better than Ryan as well[/quotel]

Right. Whoever said Silfverberg is "next to nothing" doesn't follow hockey close enough. Noesen isn't a chump in his own right. That first round pick could easily be 15-20 too.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:02 PM

I'm happy with gaining Weiss and losing Flip and Cleary.  However, I'm not happy that Alfie is on the team, or that Sammy is still on the team, or that Brunner isn't signed yet.  So on balance I'd say I'm about 50/50


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:02 PM

I'm just happy that nobody can use the "Kenny did nothing with this roster over the offseason" argument for another year

Seriously though, I think we are better than we were last year. And it hard to get a feel for how good they can be considering they are now in the east.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

we got a ton of bottom 6 junk to get rid of



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:04 PM

we got a ton of bottom 6 junk to get rid of

 

So, you're happy?



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:04 PM

[quote name="achildr1" post="2427308" timestamp="1373054501"]Yep...and as much as everyone thinks otherwise, Tatar could be better than Brunner this year. And he's younger, cheaper, with more potential. Offseason win for the Wings.
[quote name="wingsfan4795" post="2427307" timestamp="1373054386"]
I think were miles better. I would have loved bobby Ryan, but Ottawa gave up a ton for him. Silverberg is likely going to be better than every one of our prospects, and he may end up being better than Ryan as well[/quotel]

Right. Whoever said Silfverberg is "next to nothing" doesn't follow hockey close enough. Noesen isn't a chump in his own right. That first round pick could easily be 15-20 too.[/quote]


I bet you a Nyquist and a first and any other prospects could of got him. But Holland had brain lapse and couldn't pull the trigger.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:06 PM

The deal for Weiss is better than I first thought, so that is a +

Losing Filps is a  +

Losing Brunner is a big -

I don't think Alredsson will providee anything at this point in his career so this is a -

 

needs to be filled: toughness, size I am still hoping for McGrattan

 

if not so far a bit better than expected but nothing ground breaking.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:08 PM

 

 

needs to be filled: toughness, size I am still hoping for McGrattan

 

 

 

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:08 PM

Let's compare Weiss to what we couldve got.


Weiss 24.5m 5 years. What's are better deals? Vinny, clarkson, fil, and even clowe may be a better deal considering we could of used his size.



All signing Weiss tells me is helm will be on litr all year. We didn't need a bottom 6 center we needed a top 6 winger. It says a lot when your second line of franzen Weiss and alfie and Alfie is the best on that line....

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:09 PM

I think the OP was stuck in the mindset that anything outside of a tremendous trade would make this team worse as it's a theory he had brought up in other threads and now it's an effort to gain further justification even though this team improved today. Face the facts that Filppula wanted a contract based off of the one good season he did have even though he proved the following year that he could not remain consistent and was not any kind of force in the playoffs. It was an intelligent decision to let him walk which is a positive. 

 

We'll let this upcoming season speak for itself, we made the playoffs by winning the final regular season game this year, so if we miss playoffs this upcoming season then sure, the moves today damaged this team. When we do make the playoffs though, which we will, maybe a choice few that post here can step back a bit and realize maybe, just maybe, Kenny Holland knows what he's doing and made the right decisions today.

 

So to answer the question, yeah i'm pretty content with what went down today. Losing Brunner hurts, losing Flip not so much, but gaining Alf and Weiss is definitely a positive in my opinion. And the offseason isn't over yet either who knows what else is in store.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:09 PM

I love our adds would still like a top D-man and then we still need to make some cuts. Would also love Brunner sign but I'm excited at our chances now
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:09 PM

I've been a critic of Holland over the past few days and I'm 50/50 today. I still for some unknown reason am hearing interest in Cleary and Morrow for some reason which scares me. Losing Brunner still hurts

but I keep hearing the Tatar argument which resonates with me. I still think we need to get a trade or two in place to lose the dead weight which will be riding the pine all year and perhaps solidify the defense

with one more solid name. I am glad Holland didn't stand pat today though, that is a positive.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:11 PM

I think the OP was stuck in the mindset that anything outside of a tremendous trade would make this team worse as it's a theory he had brought up in other threads and now it's an effort to gain further justification even though this team improved today. Face the facts that Filppula wanted a contract based off of the one good season he did have even though he proved the following year that he could not remain consistent and was not any kind of force in the playoffs. It was an intelligent decision to let him walk which is a positive. 

 

We'll let this upcoming season speak for itself, we made the playoffs by winning the final regular season game this year, so if we miss playoffs this upcoming season then sure, the moves today damaged this team. When we do make the playoffs though, which we will, maybe a choice few that post here can step back a bit and realize maybe, just maybe, Kenny Holland knows what he's doing and made the right decisions today.

 

So to answer the question, yeah i'm pretty content with what went down today. Losing Brunner hurts, losing Flip not so much, but gaining Alf and Weiss is definitely a positive in my opinion. And the offseason isn't over yet either who knows what else is in store.

 

Thanks for the sound reasoning amid all of the insanity.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:13 PM

Did some one really just post Clowe at that ridiculous contract would be better than Weiss, really!


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:17 PM

ame="achildr1" post="2427308" timestamp="1373054501"]Yep...and as much as everyone thinks otherwise, Tatar could be better than Brunner this year. And he's younger, cheaper, with more potential. Offseason win for the Wings.



I bet you a Nyquist and a first and any other prospects could of got him. But Holland had brain lapse and couldn't pull the trigger.


I don't think so. And even so, Nyquist is a very good player and I believe will be a big part of our future. I believe Silfverberg was more highly regarded than Nyquist in the hockey community. Noesen may well have been Sproul/Ouellett/Jurco for us...and that would not have been worth it. Would it have been nice to get Ryan? Sure. That price is too high for us though. In three years Nyquist may produce at the same rate as Ryan and from what I've seen, I think Nyquist has more compete level.

Did some one really just post Clowe at that ridiculous contract would be better than Weiss, really!


Yea...that got me too.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:18 PM

So as of today we have at forward: Alfredsson 41, Sameulsson 37, Bert 38, Datsyuk 35, Zetterberg 33, franzen 34, TooToo 30, Weiss 30, Eaves 29, Miller 29, Abby 26, Helm 26, Emmerton 25, Andersson 24, Nyquist 24, and tatar 23. The average age for our forwards is just over 30. That is 16 forwards. can only dress 12. 4 have to sit. Now we will have injuries. bert and helm have back issues, Sammy is a walking ER ward. But if everyone is healthy, do Andersson, tatar, and Nyquist even see the ice? If you are going to play those 3, then who of the pricey vets sit, and why are they on the team?

 

There are rumors about us trying to get Morrow-who is 34.

 

I hope there are some trades forth coming, because this doesn't make sense. We have gotten older and smaller today.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:20 PM

So as of today we have at forward: Alfredsson 41, Sameulsson 37, Bert 38, Datsyuk 35, Zetterberg 33, franzen 34, TooToo 30, Weiss 30, Eaves 29, Miller 29, Abby 26, Helm 26, Emmerton 25, Andersson 24, Nyquist 24, and tatar 23. The average age for our forwards is just over 30. That is 16 forwards. can only dress 12. 4 have to sit. Now we will have injuries. bert and helm have back issues, Sammy is a walking ER ward. But if everyone is healthy, do Andersson, tatar, and Nyquist even see the ice? If you are going to play those 3, then who of the pricey vets sit, and why are they on the team?

 

There are rumors about us trying to get Morrow-who is 34.

 

I hope there are some trades forth coming, because this doesn't make sense. We have gotten older and smaller today.

Tatar is either on the team or he's waived. They won't sit him in the presser either or else he will walk.


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#39 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:27 PM

Tatar is either on the team or he's waived. They won't sit him in the presser either or else he will walk.

 

 

 

putting tatar on waivers and losing him for nothing would be idiotic



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:27 PM

I think it's all pretty much a wash. You just don't know what you're going to get with a 40 year old who is changing cities,(and countries) after 17 years having to uproot his family and all that. Weiss was out injured most of the season last year. Will he produce as much here? Remains to be seen. I just don't feel like this is like 2002 or 2008 where we had a good solid core and needed to add depth players. While the price might have been high for Ryan, I feel like it's what the Wings needed. A right handed shot and pure goal scorer with some size and only 26 at a relatively reasonable cap hit. I'm kind of left with a meh feeling. I don't think the team is substantially better or worse.





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