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#81 Jesusberg

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:44 AM

I've still been going over a bunch of the CBA stuff, (seriously, do they purposely make it more difficult than it has to be?) and I've noticed that in the language, they mention the team can only qualify if they have more than one player in arbitration. That specific arbitration is found in section 12.3(a), which is actually club-elected arbitration... so not what Smith is currently going through, as he elected to go to arbitration. As far as I can see, there's nothing about player-elected arbitration. It also reads:
 

(a) Club-Elected Salary Arbitration For Players With Paragraph 1 NHL Salaries plus 
Signing, Roster, and Reporting Bonuses Greater Than $1,750,000 In The Prior League Year. 

 

So none of the RFA's in our system seem to apply here. Clearly, I really want to find a way to get rid of Samuelsson. Smith's arbitration does not seem to be the answer, though.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:20 PM

I've still been going over a bunch of the CBA stuff, (seriously, do they purposely make it more difficult than it has to be?) and I've noticed that in the language, they mention the team can only qualify if they have more than one player in arbitration. That specific arbitration is found in section 12.3(a), which is actually club-elected arbitration... so not what Smith is currently going through, as he elected to go to arbitration. As far as I can see, there's nothing about player-elected arbitration. It also reads:
 
(a) Club-Elected Salary Arbitration For Players With Paragraph 1 NHL Salaries plus 
Signing, Roster, and Reporting Bonuses Greater Than $1,750,000 In The Prior League Year. 
 
So none of the RFA's in our system seem to apply here. Clearly, I really want to find a way to get rid of Samuelsson. Smith's arbitration does not seem to be the answer, though.


So it wouldn't matter if the club elected to go to arbitration with Andy and Goose because their salaries don't meet the requirements or...?

Makes my head spin, but I hope the Wings stand in their heads to get rid of Sammy lol.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

So it wouldn't matter if the club elected to go to arbitration with Andy and Goose because their salaries don't meet the requirements or...?

Makes my head spin, but I hope the Wings stand in their heads to get rid of Sammy lol.

 

It would appear that way. It's a bit odd, since I would think it would make more sense that the club should be awarded a buyout IF it were player-elected, not club-elected. In that case, they may be getting blindsided by the players, and not vice versa.

Unless of course, it's saying that a team only needs one player-elected arbitration, but an extra one if it's club-elected. But there's no real clear mention of player-elected arbitration as it pertains to ordinary course buy-outs. At least not explicitly from what I've read.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:46 PM

Jake Muzzin of the Kings got 2-years at $1 million per year. Can't see Smith expecting anything more than that.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:43 PM

Would you guys be happy if the Wings went big on Smith right now?

8 years, 20 million?

Something between 2-2.5 mil per for as long a term as possible?

I'd be happy.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

Would you guys be happy if the Wings went big on Smith right now?

8 years, 20 million?

Something between 2-2.5 mil per for as long a term as possible?

I'd be happy.

From what I've seen, I'm one of the bigger Smith supporters here.

 

And at that, if Smith was signed to that deal I would probably throw my laptop out the fourth-storey window currently in front of me.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:50 PM

From what I've seen, I'm one of the bigger Smith supporters here.
 
And at that, if Smith was signed to that deal I would probably throw my laptop out the fourth-storey window currently in front of me.


I dont know man. I remember how much grief everyone gave Holland for Rig at 3 mil per. That contract is looking very good right now EXCEPT that its about to be over. Rig could end up getting 5 per next year. Wish he was signed at 3 mil per for another 5 years.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:53 PM

From what I've seen, I'm one of the bigger Smith supporters here.
 
And at that, if Smith was signed to that deal I would probably throw my laptop out the fourth-storey window currently in front of me.


You'd probly be upset for 2-3 seasons at most then thrilled that we had (what I think will be) a very good top 4 guy at least on such a small cap hit for 5 years..

That said, it won't happen. It wouldn't be smart of smith to sign that deal.. he'll make more than that at some point over the next 8 years

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:50 PM

You'd probly be upset for 2-3 seasons at most then thrilled that we had (what I think will be) a very good top 4 guy at least on such a small cap hit for 5 years..

That said, it won't happen. It wouldn't be smart of smith to sign that deal.. he'll make more than that at some point over the next 8 years


Agreed.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

From what I've seen, I'm one of the bigger Smith supporters here.
 
And at that, if Smith was signed to that deal I would probably throw my laptop out the fourth-storey window currently in front of me.



That's a deal. Even if he doesn't live up to top pairing hype on the second pairing at 2.5m per is a deal.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:43 PM

From what I've seen, I'm one of the bigger Smith supporters here.
 
And at that, if Smith was signed to that deal I would probably throw my laptop out the fourth-storey window currently in front of me.

That's a deal. Even if he doesn't live up to top pairing hype on the second pairing at 2.5m per is a deal.


If his agent let him sign that deal he'd never get another client. $2.5 isn't bad to pay a #5 and the assumption is Smith will be a good second pair guy at least.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

That's a deal. Even if he doesn't live up to top pairing hype on the second pairing at 2.5m per is a deal.

Realistically, my expectation (or hope, I suppose), is that he'll become a solid second pairing dman (and be worth somewhere around 4.5M/yr).  So in my eyes, you maybe save 2M towards the end of the deal, while paying him about 1M too much for the first couple of years.  It's not that much of a savings.

 

But you're saddled with him for the league maximum of 8 years.  What if he doesn't pan out at all?  This is someone who has yet to play in an 82 game season.  And it would yet again be dead roster space if he doesn't work out.  I mean, it would be just like Samuelsson, Bertuzzi and Tootoo, but on our back end.  For.  Eight.  Years.

 

8 year deals are for stars, not trying to save a few bucks on an unproven young player.  It's a ridiculous risk for a potential net gain of a fairly small magnitude.

 

I mean, would you be happy if we were currently "saving money" with Jiri Hudler, paying him 2.5M/yr for 8 years when he's really a 4M/yr player (or so his contract would tell us).  There are other considerations than saving a bit on the cap.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:56 AM

Maybe he just wants to expedite the process of getting a contract completed.  There's nothing to indicate he's asking for a ridiculous amount.  I really don't see the "ego" angle to this.

It's looking like this may be a real possibility.  It doesn't seem like Holland has much urgency in getting our RFAs signed.  He hasn't started negotiating with either Nyquist or Andersson apparently.

 

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

It's looking like this may be a real possibility.  It doesn't seem like Holland has much urgency in getting our RFAs signed.  He hasn't started negotiating with either Nyquist or Andersson apparently.
 
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Holland is probably working on Bert's extension.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:05 PM

It's looking like this may be a real possibility.  It doesn't seem like Holland has much urgency in getting our RFAs signed.  He hasn't started negotiating with either Nyquist or Andersson apparently.

 

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Holland's just playing mind games with them. Makin em think they're after thoughts and not that important so theyll sign for less.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:01 PM


Maybe he just wants to expedite the process of getting a contract completed.  There's nothing to indicate he's asking for a ridiculous amount.  I really don't see the "ego" angle to this.


It's looking like this may be a real possibility.  It doesn't seem like Holland has much urgency in getting our RFAs signed.  He hasn't started negotiating with either Nyquist or Andersson apparently.
 
Mlive
 
"I haven't really begun" negotiating, Holland said Friday night after the Development Camp scrimmage at Centre Ice Arena. "I talked with Nyguist's agent Monday or Tuesday. We haven't talked since. I played telephone tag with Andersson's agent.
 


UFAs come first. There's no rush to get the RFA guys signed immediately, and a GM can only do so many things at once.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

Per GM Ken Holland, Red Wings have agreed to deal with D Brendan Smith, avoid arbitration. Smith, 24, gets 2 YRS $2.525M/ $1.26M cap hit.

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edit: didn't see the signed post. my bad.


Edited by gurnsy200, 15 July 2013 - 03:54 PM.






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