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#21 Crymson

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:11 PM

Kronwall + Girardi = Cup

 

 

I know you like Girardi a lot; but by the accounts of many Rangers fans, he did not at all have a good season.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:31 PM

When I think of a true #1 defensemen I think of a franchise defensemen. I'm talking Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios, Niedermayer caliber. Kronner is good but he is not on that level.


Edited by dragonballgtz, 13 July 2013 - 11:34 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:45 PM

When I think of a ture #1 defensemen I think of a franchise defensemen. I'm talking Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios, Niedermayer caliber. Kronner is good but he is not on that level.


Same here.

That said, I think we should call that a franchise defenseman and redefine what a normal #1 is.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:17 PM

He may not be a franchise defenseman but he's our #1



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:39 PM

He started off pretty god awfully. Whether that's due to the lockout or the pressure of being the #1 I don't know

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:39 AM

Yet to be seen. It almost seemed like he played better as the #2-3 D-man a few years ago.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:11 AM

By the definition that some have here of what constitutes a #1 defenseman, there are substantially less #1 defensemen than there are teams in the NHL.

 

This.  Too many people define a #1 D as "all-star-Norris trophy candidate-hall of famer."  As someone else said, those are Franchise Defencemen and no-one here would argue Kronwall is one of those.

 

Plus we've been spoiled rotten and given insane expectations of what to expect from a #1D by 20 years of Lidstrom.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:00 AM

If he's not top ten...who all is better than him? Go!

Ill say Doughty, Subban, Chara, Weber, Suter, Karlsson...

 

I don't want to make a rank order list because I'm feeling pretty lazy, but I'd add Pietrangelo to your list and probably remove Karlsson.  His offensive is obviously WAY better, but as shaky as Kronwall may seem at times, imagine if he were only 175 lbs and much weaker. 


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:12 AM

We should have expected this season to be kind of a clusterf***.  Lidstrom retired, they lost Stuart, then a third of the guys they expected to play on the top 3 lines all went down early.  That's a lot of shuffling and guys playing new roles, with no camp and only a short season to get used to the changes.  Kronwall had to adjust to being Nik instead of just Nik Jr., Ericsson needed to adjust to being #2, and they were working Smith in.  There wasn't a single defenseman who had a partner they'd spent any significant time with before this year.  It usually takes time to build chemistry and get your communication down.  If you add Zetterberg having to adjust to being the captain and working 3 rookie forwards in too, that's about 3 normal offseasons worth of changes they had to make with no camp.

 

Throwing Kronwall under the bus for "playing worse" as a #1 than he did as the #2 guy is kind of harsh.  I expect him, and everyone else, to be much better next season after a full training camp and half a season of the changes.


Edited by DickieDunn, 14 July 2013 - 08:13 AM.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:28 AM

Kronner is what he is, an excellent second pairing defenseman but without a franchise defender not a top pairing guy.

 

This is nothing against him, it is just the truth and I really hope he will return to his more kronwalling instead of trying to run the powerplay, I think the shutdown role is better suited for him.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

If he's not top ten...who all is better than him? Go!

Ill say Doughty, Subban, Chara, Weber, Suter, Karlsson...

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:56 AM

You're hilarious. 

I don't get the joke. Two players you bolded won the last two Norris trophies.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:18 AM

Tough to say coming out of a lockout.

 

Lockout years, IMO, are not good years to judge players.

 

They basically all had their training camps with different players than they played with.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:06 AM

I don't get the joke. Two players you bolded won the last two Norris trophies.

That's because the Norris has become nothing more than a scoring race for Dmen, no matter if they can even play the defensive side of the game.  They just load up their points on the PP and win the Norris.  Suter should have won it this year over the other 2 candidates.  The Norris is supposed to be awarded to the "best all-around Dman" and that's where the trophy is losing a lot of credibility along with numerous others.

 

As for guys "as good" or "better" than Kronwall:

 

Pietrangelo, Doughty, Chara, Weber, Suter, Boychuk, Keith, Yandle, Ekman-Larsson, Shattenkirk and McDonough.  There is a list of guys who can play both sides of the ice.  Kronwall is basically equivalent to Keith, Yandle and Shattenkirk as an exact play style.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:19 AM

Kronner is what he is, an excellent second pairing defenseman but without a franchise defender not a top pairing guy.

 

This is nothing against him, it is just the truth and I really hope he will return to his more kronwalling instead of trying to run the powerplay, I think the shutdown role is better suited for him.

Can you name 60 better defensemen in the NHL?

 

I do think Kronner is easily a top-30 defenseman, and IMO that makes him a #1. I wouldn't say that he is an elite or franchise defenseman, but he is a #1.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:21 AM

I think Kronner is a #2, but I thought he played ok last year as a #1. Perhaps he will be better adjusted to the big guns of the opponents this year and will keep more pucks out of the net.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:07 PM

I think Kronner is a #2, but I thought he played ok last year as a #1. Perhaps he will be better adjusted to the big guns of the opponents this year and will keep more pucks out of the net.

 

Yes Kronner as much as we love him. He IS a #2 d-man playing on our team as a #1 d-man.

 

Nothing wrong with that tbh. Would love him to step it up this year big time but us being in a new "conference" and all.

 

I don't know. New changes against new opponents aren't always instant. It goes both ways yes.

 

Our team along with Kronner will be challenged big time again this year no doubt.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:23 PM


Kronner is what he is, an excellent second pairing defenseman but without a franchise defender not a top pairing guy.
 
This is nothing against him, it is just the truth and I really hope he will return to his more kronwalling instead of trying to run the powerplay, I think the shutdown role is better suited for him.


Can you name 60 better defensemen in the NHL?
 
I do think Kronner is easily a top-30 defenseman, and IMO that makes him a #1. I wouldn't say that he is an elite or franchise defenseman, but he is a #1.


I would have a hard time naming 60 defensemen to be honest, I don't follow all the teams but here is a list of guys that are for sure better:

Chara, Letang, Weber, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Karlson, Staal, Doughty, Shattenkirk (younger + cheaper)

the expectations for a number 1 defenseman are obviously high and this already excludes franchise guys like Lidström (hope his son will fill in for him).

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:41 PM

I would have a hard time naming 60 defensemen to be honest, I don't follow all the teams but here is a list of guys that are for sure better:

Chara, Letang, Weber, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Karlson, Staal, Doughty, Shattenkirk (younger + cheaper)

the expectations for a number 1 defenseman are obviously high and this already excludes franchise guys like Lidström (hope his son will fill in for him).


Letang is terrible in his own end. If he, Phaneuf, Shattenkirk, and probably a couple of the other guys were Wings we'd have a bunch of people complaining about them, too. Kronwall is a solid #1 d, with a few guys who are better and a few more right around the same level.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:54 AM

 

 

I know you like Girardi a lot; but by the accounts of many Rangers fans, he did not at all have a good season.

 

And?


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