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#41 TheDetroitRedWings

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:52 PM

Not to sound like I'm ripping on the OP here, but is this seriously even a question?? Of course both numbers will be retired. Absolutely no doubt about it


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:54 PM

I think Pavel should have his raised but as for Z the verdict is still out my guess is no. You can't retire every good player that comes along or there won't be any numbers left to have a team on the ice
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

As much as I like Z and D as Red Wings and hockey players and people...my feeling is, if you're in the rafters @ The Joe, you're a Legend. Someone who has - to sort of quote Babs - left absolutely no doubt. A Steve Yzerman. A Nick Lidstrom.

 

Would I be shocked if one or both of them ultimately "get raised"? No. But I'd be even less shocked if neither of them got it.


Honestly, though, they'll probably get raised. And it'll be sweet.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

As much as I like Z and D as Red Wings and hockey players and people...my feeling is, if you're in the rafters @ The Joe, you're a Legend. Someone who has - to sort of quote Babs - left absolutely no doubt. A Steve Yzerman. A Nick Lidstrom.
 


That's exactly it. Datsyuk is no doubt in mind.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

I think what it comes down to is looking at accomplishments overall. Yzerman was the youngest named captain, brought the team a championship for the first time in too long, remained the captain of this team for 20 seasons. He's in the record books amongst the greatest scoring players in NHL history. The cups, the awards, etc.

 

Lidstrom won the Norris 7 times, won 4 championships, and will go down in history as arguably the greatest defender who ever played in the NHL. His career numbers as a defender are stuff of legend. 

 

Similar arguments may be made for the rest of the players hanging from the rafters, Howe and Sawchuk go without saying, and the list goes on. You can present the argument for just about any team and their players right now, should the Sedins numbers be retired? Should Chara's number be retired? Should Iginlas number be retired in Calgary? Just a few of many examples. 

 

I think it's more like a perfect game pitched in baseball, it's a rarity set aside for the distinguished and legendary, if you begin to hand out retired numbers to the best players of the current generation then those rafters will fill up fast and you start to run out of numbers to hand out to new players. For that reason, I don't believe anyone on the current roster will receive a retired number. I have a love affair for these two, I truly do have an emotional attachment to both and it will break my heart the day they decide to retire, but in light of the honor of getting your number retired from a franchise, I think they will go out solely as phenomenal players within the Red Wings team but nothing past that. 

 

If Pav and Zett get their numbers retired, so should Osgood and the flurry of other names start falling in of who should have been and who hasn't. It must be considered how few have been retired in the long history of the sport and how many players have come and gone during that time, especially for an original 6 team like Detroit.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:48 PM

Now that I think about it, this depends on who the owners are. 

 

Maybe a new owner decades from now will decide to loosen the strict requirements for retiring Red Wings jerseys.  Then, guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Fedorov will get in.  

 

Look how Ilitch came in and took down Aurie's jersey.  That took some gall.  

 

You never know what an owner in the future might do.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:18 AM

if they had won that game 7 in 2009, sure. zetterberg might have had a 2nd consecutive conne smythe.

unfortunately, they choked.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:43 AM

I would say yes to Datsyuk - though his point totals wouldn't warrant a number being retired, there is no doubt that the hockey world and Detroit as an organization are taking notice to the little things he does that make him arguably the best in the world today. The things they don't have stats for.

Pasha carries that "Chuck Norris" like vibe with him, making it very difficult not to have his number retired.

Simply put, I could not see another Detroit player coming along in the next decade and wearing #13...the shoes are just too big to fill



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 04:02 AM

Datsyuk is (IMO) exactly the kind of player the Wings retire. The other names in the rafters were guys who embodied what it means to be a Red Wing and i think Pav fits the mold. He handles himself with class and he is respected league-wide. Besides that he has good numbers, some hardware, and he's a gifted player.
Maybe Dats isn't a captain, maybe his numbers aren't as high but 50 years from now when I'm looking back, he's the man I'll remember the most. He's the guy who people will still talk about and say "wow, that guy was something special" and that makes him a future legend in my mind.

 
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:36 AM

Amen to this.  He'll be forever remembered as someone special to watch and admire.  Not many like him and probably not another one will cross our paths.  We should feel blessed.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:23 AM

 

Including 225 with other teams.

 

What difference does that make?? If Feds' jersey was retired at the joe, I might be more inclined to agree with you about which team he got points with, but it is not. So his career points total is all that really matters (and really it is all that matters either way)



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

if they had won that game 7 in 2009, sure. zetterberg might have had a 2nd consecutive conne smythe.

unfortunately, they choked.

 

That was Osgood's Conn Smythe, and would have gotten him to the Hall of Fame.

 

But another Cup would have been one more item on Datsyuk and Zetterberg's side of the scale.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

Maybe I am in the minority here because when I think of Zetterberg, I think of everything the Red Wings organization stands for. Zetterberg is a quiet leader, a classy man, a fierce competitor. He is a huge playoff clutch player and at times, when the team needed someone to step up, it has been Hank. He is humble and gracious, gives back to the community and is already shown he will be a great captian. When it's all said and done, I think he will surpass the 1000 point mark....but even if he doesn't, signing him as a career Red Wing and giving him the C .....I just can't imagine number 40 not hanging from the rafters when he retires.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:33 PM

Maybe I am in the minority here because when I think of Zetterberg, I think of everything the Red Wings organization stands for. Zetterberg is a quiet leader, a classy man, a fierce competitor. He is a huge playoff clutch player and at times, when the team needed someone to step up, it has been Hank. He is humble and gracious, gives back to the community and is already shown he will be a great captian. When it's all said and done, I think he will surpass the 1000 point mark....but even if he doesn't, signing him as a career Red Wing and giving him the C .....I just can't imagine number 40 not hanging from the rafters when he retires.

And what did the announcers say during the playoffs?  Zetterberg has the most playoff points since 2006?  To hell with the regular season if that's all a guy's good for...Z puts up when it matters most.  He's a big time playoff performer, which will hopefully merit in whether or not he gets his jersey retired or dare I say the HOF.  If he captains the Wings to a Stanley Cup and maybe even gets another Conn Smythe (though I'd rather see Dats get the next one, they're my 2 favourites) then he may merit both, as long as he keeps a decent pace in the regular season still though.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:38 PM

Amen to this.  He'll be forever remembered as someone special to watch and admire.  Not many like him and probably not another one will cross our paths.  We should feel blessed.


You must be o'ing all over the place while reading this thread. Its about damn time Pavs got the love tossed his way!

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:31 AM

Maybe Dats isn't a captain, maybe his numbers aren't as high but 50 years from now when I'm looking back, he's the man I'll remember the most. He's the guy who people will still talk about and say "wow, that guy was something special" and that makes him a future legend in my mind

 

 

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What difference does that make?? If Feds' jersey was retired at the joe, I might be more inclined to agree with you about which team he got points with, but it is not. So his career points total is all that really matters (and really it is all that matters either way)

 

 

Um, it makes all the difference?  We're talking about retiring a players number as a RED WING.  If career totals mattered, we'd be retiring 14 and 24, but they don't, and we aren't, and we shouldn't be.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

You must be o'ing all over the place while reading this thread. Its about damn time Pavs got the love tossed his way!

 

Hey, who am I to look a gift horse in the mouth?


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:13 AM

 
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Um, it makes all the difference?  We're talking about retiring a players number as a RED WING.  If career totals mattered, we'd be retiring 14 and 24, but they don't, and we aren't, and we shouldn't be.


I was merely correcting what you said. You said Datsyuk getting over 1000 points would be more then feds but you didn't say with which team specifically. If you look that way then 91 shouldn't be retired cause he left for his last years

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:19 AM

If he doesn't accomplish enough to have his number retired after he hangs 'em up, at least Hank's beard should be raised to the rafters.  Maybe a dual beard raising ceremony with Kris Draper.







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