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#21 Aznknight

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 01:12 PM

I've played all sports (badminton too) and hockey requires the most effort, individual skill, determination, team work and money. Almost shows why the world is going into the toilet with the sport parents choose to enroll their children in. Football? Let's be full on violent EVERY play. Soccer? Let's dive to get an edge (second only to hockey in terms of team play). Basketball? Gotta have the most swag (second only to individual skill). But I still love playing all of em.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 01:53 PM

I've played all sports (badminton too) and hockey requires the most effort, individual skill, determination, team work and money. Almost shows why the world is going into the toilet with the sport parents choose to enroll their children in. Football? Let's be full on violent EVERY play. Soccer? Let's dive to get an edge (second only to hockey in terms of team play). Basketball? Gotta have the most swag (second only to individual skill). But I still love playing all of em.


I have played a lot of sports too and I must say that Golf is far more expensive than hockey. Also I don't like the fact how the price is always seen as negative, there are also benefits: such as knowing who will be there and more importantly who won't. In sports like soccer and so on you can never be sure and personally I would rather pay more and participate in a good enviroment than having to deal with the questionmarks in terms of teammates. Sadly, these benefits are never mentioned by the hockey haters :-(

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 02:09 PM

I have played a lot of sports too and I must say that Golf is far more expensive than hockey. Also I don't like the fact how the price is always seen as negative, there are also benefits: such as knowing who will be there and more importantly who won't. In sports like soccer and so on you can never be sure and personally I would rather pay more and participate in a good enviroment than having to deal with the questionmarks in terms of teammates. Sadly, these benefits are never mentioned by the hockey haters :-(


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:46 PM

Unless there's a live sporting event I want to watch, that's the only reason I ever bother turning on ESPN.

 

Really hope this whole Fox Sports 1 thing works out and they dedicate some actual time to covering hockey. 


 
 
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

The other day, allegedly, RGIII took a snap without a knee brace on. An hour of intense discussion and debate ensued.


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:31 PM


If you invest a ton of money, you're going to be there.  If you just need to show up, maybe you will decide not to go.
 
With expensive sports, or with sports where you have to make a reservation, you know the people will be there that you expect to be there and you won't be left looking for another person to fill the spot.
 
Plus if people spend the money or make the reservations, you know that they're as committed as you are.
 
Not saying that people who play basketball or baseball aren't committed; just saying you don't get the drop-ins and drop-outs without some warning so you can plan ahead.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:56 PM

However, even the sports tehy DO have a contract with get shafted..

 

 

Hockey coverage looked like overkill compared to NASCAR (2.1 percent), soccer (1.3 percent) and tennis (0.9 percent). The latter two are particularly interesting because ESPN spent big to acquire the rights to all four Grand Slam events and it broadcasts MLS, so you’d think those would be investments that the WWL would want to support with its little news show.

And if they’re not even smart enough to take care of their own properties, then maybe we … shudder … owe Gary Bettman an apology for ripping him after he picked little ol’ OLN instead of ESPN when he had to come up with a new broadcast deal back in 2005.

 

The sad thing is, I'm actually surprised to see it's even 2.7%. Rarely is the NHL mentioned on a typical sportscenter. And since they don't have a contract with the NHL anymore, sportscenter is basically their only show where you would even have a chance of hearing anything NHL-related. Although true NHL fans definitely shouldn't be heading to ESPN for their hockey fix. At least there's always NHL network and NHL center ice (couldn't live without em).


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:47 AM

Seriously I have never written that, 55fan has already given the correct answer. In hockey one has to pay a certain amount for gear, icetime and club-fees plus workout time in the gym plus fees...after makeing such a commitment dropouts are usually fewer, people get to know their teammates better so it is easier to build a chemistry maybe even friendships. Personally speaking it was much easier for me to build friendships with my hockey or even riding teammates than doing so in soccer. Hockey in my mind is just more of a lowkey let actions instead of words speak type of thing, while soccer and some other bigger sports are more about egos, promoting and starplayers instead of teamwork. It is fine for me if people like that, I certainly do not and after reading some horrible stories about other leagues I am very happy with my choice. So the media and other hocke haters can downplay the sport as much as they want, real fans don't care. What happens when non hockey people are writting about the sport can be seen on sites like the star...Espn used to be a go to source nowadays they aren't worth it if people aren't into the other major leagues.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:57 AM

Regardless of how "unpopular" hockey is. Hockey fans are by far the most passionate. Trust me in a way we are verry lucky that we don't have a bunch of half ass idiot fans like in baseball and in football. I'm cool with staying that way.

Ps. Sucks for thoes living in America cause hockey is on every channel here in Canada
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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:15 AM

Sounding like another inferiority complex to me. I don't care how much time ESPN covers hockey or not. I don't feel the need to defend liking hockey or not based on it or insulting fans of other sports. I like football and baseball also. I don't think hockey fans are any more or less passionate than any other fans because there are less of them here in the US. Plenty of passionate baseball, football and college football fans. ESPN will cover RGIII's injury because that's what the majority of people want to see. Just like TSN in Canada will cover the fart of anyone on the MapleLeafs. That's what the viewers want to see.

I've had plenty of people not show up for pick up hockey games or a golf tee time. The expense of the sport doesn't matter in the least. When it comes to rec leagues, there are jerks in every sport.

It's one thing for one adult to play in a rec league, but if you've got a couple of kids playing, you're talking hundreds of dollars a month in ice fees. Not to mention all the gas for travel and equipment, the matching warm ups, bags, hats, etc that seem to be "must haves" nowadays. I know since the economy crashed in '08, there has been a significant decrease in the number of people playing hockey. Back in the late 90's, there were waiting lists and never enough ice time. New rinks were popping up right and left. Now, it's back to being the niche sport it always was. A lot of the kids that used to play hockey are now into lacrosse. Same with golf. At the height of Tigermania, everyone and his uncle suddenly had to play golf and new courses were being built. Now they can't fill all the tee times they have.

All the complaining and crying and disparaging of other fans isn't going to make hockey any more popular in the US. It may go through periods of increased attention depending on a star player or team, but it's just not going to over take any of the other three major sports. It's a Canadian/Northern sport generally speaking and it's never going to get the widespread attention from any national sports outlet because it does not have mass appeal.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:39 AM

I am not disrespecting other sports, I am just sick of always reading how the media is disrepecting the sport I love, because it isn't mainstream. Why not write about the benefits? There are pros and cons with every sport although the pros aren't mentioned enough when it comes to hockey. Personally I know a lot of the cons when it comes to mainstream sport and some of the stories further proved the point. ESPN can cover whatever they want, but that doesn't mean people have to like their choices. to be honest i have yet to see a reason why being a non mainstream sport justifies such ridiculous media outcry. The funny thing about soccer is attempting the games is more expensive than playing...

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 09:45 AM

So having money makes you a better person? Kiss my poor white ass. Most of the biggest asses I've known have had money. Cost absolutely is an issue.If you invest a ton of money, you're going to be there.  If you just need to show up, maybe you will decide not to go. With expensive sports, or with sports where you have to make a reservation, you know the people will be there that you expect to be there and you won't be left looking for another person to fill the spot. Plus if people spend the money or make the reservations, you know that they're as committed as you are. Not saying that people who play basketball or baseball aren't committed; just saying you don't get the drop-ins and drop-outs without some warning so you can plan ahead.

You've played in different leagues than I have then. In my experience the amount of no shows and dickheads in any given league or sport have been pretty consistent across the board. Paying more doesn't matter much, and for some people tossing $200 away is like other people losing out on $20, and the gear is already bought and tends to last awhile.

I am not disrespecting other sports, I am just sick of always reading how the media is disrepecting the sport I love, because it isn't mainstream. Why not write about the benefits? There are pros and cons with every sport although the pros aren't mentioned enough when it comes to hockey. Personally I know a lot of the cons when it comes to mainstream sport and some of the stories further proved the point.ESPN can cover whatever they want, but that doesn't mean people have to like their choices. to be honest i have yet to see a reason why being a non mainstream sport justifies such ridiculous media outcry. The funny thing about soccer is attempting the games is more expensive than playing...

Espn tracks their ratings pretty close. More hockey means lower ratings because most people in the US don't care much.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

This is why TSN needs to broaden itself and be made available in american cable and satellite packages. ESPN sucks and I get 4 versions of it that I don't watch unless there's a baseball game being aired that I must watch.


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 11:37 AM

i could care less what espn covers, because they are to sports what mtv is to music. they have turned into nothing but talking heads shows and behind the scenes dramas. they will continue to dig their own graves to true sports fans that increasingly go other places for actual sports news. 

 

additionally, for you guys arguing the cost of hockey you are having the entire wrong discussion. of course playing hockey at a high level is costly. but thats not the type of hockey that needs to be promoted. if the nhl wants to be more popular in the states, they need to be encouraging kids to be in their driveway or streets with nothing more than some sticks, a ball and a net. that is not a large investment. and if you get thousands of kids doing that, you will see popularity grow. because while hockey equipment and ice time is indeed expensive, so are football helmets and shoulder pads. the difference is i dont know any kids that own their own shoulder pads. schools and leagues own the equipment and kids just use it. it is absolutely asinine to imply all you need to get kids involved in football is a ball and a field, yet to get kids involved in hockey they instantly need 2 grand in bauer gear? you can't get more apples and oranges. 


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 11:39 AM

I am not disrespecting other sports, I am just sick of always reading how the media is disrepecting the sport I love, because it isn't mainstream. Why not write about the benefits? There are pros and cons with every sport although the pros aren't mentioned enough when it comes to hockey. Personally I know a lot of the cons when it comes to mainstream sport and some of the stories further proved the point. ESPN can cover whatever they want, but that doesn't mean people have to like their choices. to be honest i have yet to see a reason why being a non mainstream sport justifies such ridiculous media outcry. The funny thing about soccer is attempting the games is more expensive than playing...


I must have missed something but how does the "media" disrespect hockey? By not showing it? I've never seen any media outlet do any kind of "negative" hockey story, ie, Hockey is terrible and boring and dangerous!!! Don't play hockey! To my knowledge, that never happened. ESPN, Fox or any media outlet has no obligation to promote any sport or encourage fans to watch it. They're in the business to make money. Every sport has positives and negatives. I don't know what you mean by "media outcry". I'm sure fans of every sport and every team think they're team isn't covered enough or gets enough coverage.

I was in the Netherlands recently and all the sports headlines were about cycling. Why? That's what their sports fans want.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 11:47 AM

i could care less what espn covers, because they are to sports what mtv is to music. they have turned into nothing but talking heads shows and behind the scenes dramas. they will continue to dig their own graves to true sports fans that increasingly go other places for actual sports news. 
 
additionally, for you guys arguing the cost of hockey you are having the entire wrong discussion. of course playing hockey at a high level is costly. but thats not the type of hockey that needs to be promoted. if the nhl wants to be more popular in the states, they need to be encouraging kids to be in their driveway or streets with nothing more than some sticks, a ball and a net. that is not a large investment. and if you get thousands of kids doing that, you will see popularity grow. because while hockey equipment and ice time is indeed expensive, so are football helmets and shoulder pads. the difference is i dont know any kids that own their own shoulder pads. schools and leagues own the equipment and kids just use it. it is absolutely asinine to imply all you need to get kids involved in football is a ball and a field, yet to get kids involved in hockey they instantly need 2 grand in bauer gear? you can't get more apples and oranges.


You may not remember, but 10 or so years ago, the NHL did try to promote street/roller hockey. It didn't help. Why would a kid down in Texas or Georgia want to get hockey sticks, a ball and a net when their dads probably played football, baseball or basketball as kids?

Hockey is a regional sport and isn't likely to ever go beyond that.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:10 PM

You may not remember, but 10 or so years ago, the NHL did try to promote street/roller hockey. It didn't help. Why would a kid down in Texas or Georgia want to get hockey sticks, a ball and a net when their dads probably played football, baseball or basketball as kids?

Hockey is a regional sport and isn't likely to ever go beyond that.

 

in time it might. However it will take more time than not for that to happen



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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:16 PM

So if I'm reading this right, 56% of their total hockey coverage is about the Penguins?


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:24 PM

So if I'm reading this right, 56% of their total hockey coverage is about the Penguins?


And 42% is about the blackhawks.

But Bettman isnt pushing an agenda at all.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:32 PM

You've played in different leagues than I have then. In my experience the amount of no shows and dickheads in any given league or sport have been pretty consistent across the board. Paying more doesn't matter much, and for some people tossing $200 away is like other people losing out on $20, and the gear is already bought and tends to last awhile.
Espn tracks their ratings pretty close. More hockey means lower ratings because most people in the US don't care much.

Just for the record, I didn't say what you quoted me as saying.  That was someone else.  I just replied to that person.







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