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#1 sjr2012

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:09 PM

Any ideas on what we might do to make room for our starting Roster? obviously we have to many forwards coming in so who do you guys think we unload? Tootoo? Eaves? and do you think we try to resign anymore Cleary? Goose? like to know where you guys think we will stand come this seasons start.


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:27 PM

I think Eaves needs to go and maybe Sammy will fall off a turnip truck. I'd like to see our young guys get more time before they get frustrated and leave for greener pastures.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:57 PM

Any ideas on what we might do to make room for our starting Roster? obviously we have to many forwards coming in so who do you guys think we unload? Tootoo? Eaves? and do you think we try to resign anymore Cleary? Goose? like to know where you guys think we will stand come this seasons start.

 

I think the two that get moved are the two you mentioned, Tootoo & Eaves.  Given their ages & NTCs, I don't see Kenny being able to unload Sammy or Bert.  The other option if Helm proves healthy in camp is Emmerton & I do think there's a pretty good chance that if Emmerton is sent to GR at the end of camp, there's a good chance he passes through waivers. 

 

Edit: Just to add a thought,  I think if Tootoo is traded, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Wings have to retain some of his salary to make it happen.  And if a miracle happens & it's Sammy that's shipped out, they'll definitely have to retain salary to make that happen.


Edited by ogreslayer, 13 August 2013 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:07 PM

Eaves is probably the first out the door. The only way I see him back is if 2 guys are gone through trade or injury, or possibly if Helm is good to go and they only need one spot they might just try to send Emmerton to GR. Depending oh health Emmerton is the next easiest to move. He's a good reserve because he's a center and cheap, but it's as much about who they can move as it is who they want to move. Of Tootoo, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson, Tootoo has the most trade value, but also adds a dimension others don't. They will not just waive Bertuzzi or Samuelsson because the cap hits would stick.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

If Sammy's on LTIR, that opens a roster spot.  Once he's off of it, send him down until he agrees to waive his NTC. 

 

For me, the only totally untouchables are Z, Pav, and Tootoo, the latter being personal preference and purely personal opinion.  I understand that others may disagree.  I'm ok with that.

 

Assuming we don't re-sign Cleary :) or Brunner :( a lot depends on a healthy Helm.  Since signs are looking good, maybe we might have to part with someone like Eaves, although I loathe to see him go.

 

Since Miller and Andersson were just re-signed, I doubt they'll be moved. 

I hate to say it, but after Emmerton, who may well have some moderately decent trade value, Eaves is the next best option that they'll possibly consider.

 

Sucks.  I like Sammy too, but like Cleary, his time has come and gone.

 

I'd even be willing to part with Johan, even though he did his share of goal-scoring.  We might get a bit more in return for him if we find someone who will take on his contract.  I wouldn't just settle for a pick and a bag of pucks for him; he'd need to bring something substantial.

 

I have a feeling that no matter what happens, I'm going to be saying, "ah, dang.  I'll miss him."


Edited by 55fan, 13 August 2013 - 02:37 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:11 PM

I think as the season begins we'll still be waiting for Holland to pull off a trade that never happens. After seeing where we stand I feel pretty stupid even thinking he was about to do something before the deadline the last few years.


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:10 PM

Put Sammy on ltir or send him down. There aren't many untouchhables on this team, so unloading shouldn't be too hard. Trade tootoo for a guy like Mcgrattan, send down Eaves and see what the younger players are capable of doing on a full season schedule

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:00 PM

I think as the season begins we'll still be waiting for Holland to pull off a trade that never happens. After seeing where we stand I feel pretty stupid even thinking he was about to do something before the deadline the last few years.

 

It would not have been particularly wise for him to pay 2012's vastly inflated prices, or to buy in 2013 when the team was in transition.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:01 PM

Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland made a concerted effort to clear some roster spots and shed salary by making a trade this off-season, but had no luck.
 
It doesn't appear as if anything will materialize before the season.
 
“Things are pretty quiet,'' Holland said Tuesday. “There's not much going on.
 
“At this stage, lots of teams will go to camp feeling their kids will fill holes for them.''

 

 

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:04 PM

There used to be a time when things like trade deadline, ufa day - this year was a nice exception - and off season were full of moves god I miss pre 2005 so much. No offersheets no transfers that's really boring hope, Holland pulls out a rabid of his head to shake things up.

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#11 55fan

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:15 PM

There used to be a time when things like trade deadline, ufa day - this year was a nice exception - and off season were full of moves god I miss pre 2005 so much. No offersheets no transfers that's really boring hope, Holland pulls out a rabid of his head to shake things up.

This. 

 

Given the number of forwards, we'd have to trade for picks/prospects or maybe a defenseman if he's an improvement over Lashoff.

 

I don't see us getting some great forward for a bunch of our bottom guys. 


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:22 PM

Holland did well this offseason, but he's also handcuffed himself with the NTC's he was handing out like candy in previous years.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:22 PM


There used to be a time when things like trade deadline, ufa day - this year was a nice exception - and off season were full of moves god I miss pre 2005 so much. No offersheets no transfers that's really boring hope, Holland pulls out a rabid of his head to shake things up.


This.

Given the number of forwards, we'd have to trade for picks/prospects or maybe a defenseman if he's an improvement over Lashoff.

I don't see us getting some great forward for a bunch of our bottom guys.


Why not just offersheet Pietrangelo? It's clear the blues are lowballing him and he wants to get paid, so this would be a nice kuckstart to the rebuild.

Sure getting something for bottom guys is hard but better getcsomething instead of nothing (i.e not trading Valteri) back then

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:33 PM

Has anyone figured out what happens if we stay as is? Are we breaking any cap rules or in need of shedding any players/salary to meet limits? Seems like a lot of speculating, but I havent heard anything definitive.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:43 PM

Has anyone figured out what happens if we stay as is? Are we breaking any cap rules or in need of shedding any players/salary to meet limits? Seems like a lot of speculating, but I havent heard anything definitive.

 

No, it's pretty definite.  The Wings have roughly $300k in cap space assuming bonuses are carried forward to next season & 24 players on the roster.  The cap can be exceeded by 10% through the end of preseason so they'll still be able to sign Nyquist & the only roster limit that applies is the 50 man contract limit.  Before the start of the regular season though, they'll need to trim say ~$700k (let's assume Nyquist signs a 2 year contract with $1m cap hit) & 2 players off the NHL roster to get back to the 23 limit.  


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:50 PM


 
“At this stage, lots of teams will go to camp feeling their kids will fill holes for them.''
 

 


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:51 PM

Has anyone figured out what happens if we stay as is? Are we breaking any cap rules or in need of shedding any players/salary to meet limits? Seems like a lot of speculating, but I havent heard anything definitive.


Ansar Khan gave a pretty good summary of where we stand at the moment in a story yesterday. It's worth reading the whole thing, but here's what he had to say about the Wings currently...

 

http://www.mlive.com...business_t.html

 

So, essentially, the Red Wings are slightly under the $64.3 million cap. But, they'll be over it once they sign Nyquist, which also will put them two players over the 23-man roster limit (teams can go 10 percent over the cap during the off-season and don't need to meet the roster limit until after the exhibition schedule).

If nobody is placed on injured reserve after the preseason, the Red Wings would need to trim two forwards. However, the status of center Darren Helm remains murky. He reported progress with his ailing back during development camp in July, but it's too soon to know whether he'll be ready for the start of the season.


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#18 DickieDunn

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

Why not just offersheet Pietrangelo? It's clear the blues are lowballing him and he wants to get paid, so this would be a nice kuckstart to the rebuild. Sure getting something for bottom guys is hard but better getcsomething instead of nothing (i.e not trading Valteri) back then

Because the Blues would just match unless it was a contract so bad even Milbury wouldn't make the offer.

Has anyone figured out what happens if we stay as is? Are we breaking any cap rules or in need of shedding any players/salary to meet limits? Seems like a lot of speculating, but I havent heard anything definitive.

Even if Nyquist holds out they need to either trade, waive, or put someone on LTIR. When he signs 2 guys need to go.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

Because the Blues would just match unless it was a contract so bad even Milbury wouldn't make the offer.

 

Like maybe if it was for a ridiculous cap hit which the Wings themselves couldn't afford right now based on where they're at against the cap.


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:50 PM

Thanks guys. Perhaps the Wings put Sammy and Bert on LTIR come October. Does that solve all our issues?





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