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#1 Wings_Dynasty

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:06 AM

Pros and cons of this proposal:

 

PROS:

 

- Tootoo is more cap friendly

- Fans don't get to see Cleary relied on/treated like a part of the offense

- An actual "sheriff" if one of our stars gets run

- Energy

- (Half-serious) PK gets more practice for the post-season (sounds ridiculous, but sound. Teams with good PK do better in the playoffs).

 

CONS: 

- Lose a net-front presence on 2nd PP (easily filled by Bert if healthy)

- Train whistles may still show up

- More fighting??? Is this a con to people still?

- Lose a LGW whipping boy (2 in one summer may be bad (adios Flip, but Sammy is still on the team...)


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:16 AM

Cleary isn't even on the team as of right now; please revise
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:10 PM

Tootoo did exactly what he was asked of last season, yet the Wings don't appear interested in his services anymore.

 

Don't know what more Holland was expecting from him.  


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:22 PM

Given that Tootoo is currently on the roster & Cleary is not, this thread is as relevant as a "Keep Tootoo, Drop Crosby" thread would be.  And given that Kenny will already have a tough enough time trimming the roster by the two forwards he has to drop just to get to the roster limit, Cleary showing back up in a WIngs jersey is extremely unlikely unless he buys a ticket to a game.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:40 PM

Cleary won't be getting an extension. I wish he'd sign someplace else already.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:45 PM

As already stated, with Cleary currently a UFA this is pretty much already done...



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:09 PM

That dosent help our cap problem we need to shed some cap and cleary isn't on payrol but Tootoo is. Granted getting rid of Tootoo isn't enough but its a start
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:15 PM

nah we will drop tootoo and then once the season starts we will see 100 threads talking about how weak we are and why didn't holland get a tough guy...its all buttmans fault blah blah blah. Not saying Tootoo is the toughest,best fighter in the league but he's better than anything we have and he plays his role perfect. I understand we have to get under the cap and all that and we pretty much have no other option because of sammy. Yeah Tootoo wasn't played in the playoffs which was a mistake against the blackhawks since they were beating us down and having their way physically but hey..losing 3 in a row without changing anything is ok for some I guess.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:00 PM

Ericsson is actually not half bad with his fists.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:12 PM

Ericsson is actually not half bad with his fists.


He's not half good either

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:19 PM

He's not half good either

Does this mean he can fight to a draw with one hand tied behind his back?

 

 

I'd rather have Toots for the fighting, thanks.  I like E, and I'm glad he can and will throw down when needed, but it's always good to have a specialist on call.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

Tootoo did exactly what he was asked of last season, yet the Wings don't appear interested in his services anymore.

 

Don't know what more Holland was expecting from him.  

 

 This 100%.  I am confused as to why they brought him here at that price and not have him out there more...IMO he was a great pick up for the playoff's, and he wasn't even given the chance.

  

 Edit: Cleary who?


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

Jordin Tootoo playing would have made absolutely no bearing on the Red Wings finishing out the Blackhawks. Physicality was not a factor whatsoever. Chicago had superior skill and depth. This is the same Blackhawks team that finished last in the NHL in hits and somehow found a way to beat the much bigger and more physical Bruins.

I'm all for keeping Tootoo around during the regular season, but let's not pretend he's some game-changing playoff performer that would have gotten the Red Wings past the Blackhawks.
 
 
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:16 PM

I don't know why some fans are so scared about this team signing Cleary.  The Wings would have to shed I believe 4 to 5 million dollars of salary just to afford what Cleary supposedly wants between the 2 to 3.5 million.  I really don't see them being unable to unload that much salary.  For the record I don't want Cleary anywhere near this team.  Also could Sammy be placed on the LTIR?


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:24 PM

Jordin Tootoo playing would have made absolutely no bearing on the Red Wings finishing out the Blackhawks. Physicality was not a factor whatsoever. Chicago had superior skill and depth. This is the same Blackhawks team that finished last in the NHL in hits and somehow found a way to beat the much bigger and more physical Bruins.

I'm all for keeping Tootoo around during the regular season, but let's not pretend he's some game-changing playoff performer that would have gotten the Red Wings past the Blackhawks.

And you would know this how? How can you say he would not have any bearing on the outcome....why change something that worked so well right. Yeah I said he was some superman playoff game changer. Lets not pretend that it wouldn't of had any effect either how about that. Some of you must have forgotten how Shaw and Bickell were left untouched when they were skating around having their way with the wings. I'm sorry to burst your bubble cause you sound pretty sure of yourself but physicality with no answer back from the wings had a lot to do with it...not all of it but had a lot. When the hawks turned it on physically and they saw that they could get away with it thats when the tide turned.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

I check in here everyday to make sure that Cleary hasn't signed with the Wings.

I'm not interested in watching Tootoo play, either.

I hope that neither of these guys are on the roster come October.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 07:13 PM

Is this even a discussion? We're above the cap, looking to get under. I don't think signing Cleary is the next move.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 07:25 PM

Is this even a discussion? We're above the cap, looking to get under. I don't think signing Cleary is the next move.


Trading any player except Emmerton or flat out waiving Eaves gets them below cap. That's not an issue. If they trade Tootoo and waive Emmerton and Eaves they can sign Cleary for $2 mil.

I really don't think Holland wants Cleary back though. He's just not saying that publicly.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:45 PM

Ericsson is actually not half bad with his fists.

 

He can hold his own, but he rarely fights.  Before anyone cries about him possibly getting hurt, better defenseman than him have been a lot more willing to drop the gloves. 

 

He needs to use his size more and challenge people.  Especially when our guys are being pushed around (Cough. Bickell and Shaw in the playoffs).  


Jordin Tootoo playing would have made absolutely no bearing on the Red Wings finishing out the Blackhawks. Physicality was not a factor whatsoever. Chicago had superior skill and depth. This is the same Blackhawks team that finished last in the NHL in hits and somehow found a way to beat the much bigger and more physical Bruins.

I'm all for keeping Tootoo around during the regular season, but let's not pretend he's some game-changing playoff performer that would have gotten the Red Wings past the Blackhawks.

 

I disagree.  It seemed like Bickell and Shaw wore the Wings out as the series went on.  Those guys played well and forechecked hard.  That grit paid off for them.  

 

We didn't have anyone really doing that to the Hawks defense on the other side.  You can't put three small, soft players on the 4th line and hope they can wear teams down over a long playoff series.  Some balance is needed there.  Tootoo isn't the biggest guy, but he hits hard and grinds well along the boards.

 

Also, don't forget how the Ducks 4th line totally dominated ours in that series.  The Wings have had a useless 4th line for years now.  We need to have a better identity there.     


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:48 PM

And you would know this how? How can you say he would not have any bearing on the outcome....why change something that worked so well right. Yeah I said he was some superman playoff game changer. Lets not pretend that it wouldn't of had any effect either how about that. Some of you must have forgotten how Shaw and Bickell were left untouched when they were skating around having their way with the wings. I'm sorry to burst your bubble cause you sound pretty sure of yourself but physicality with no answer back from the wings had a lot to do with it...not all of it but had a lot. When the hawks turned it on physically and they saw that they could get away with it thats when the tide turned.

Yeah our 5'8" enforcer was going to strike fear in their hearts and change the series. They must have been so happy Tootoo sat out those games. Tootoo is worthless and a very poor signing. There's a reason he rode the bench, he was where he was supposed to be.


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