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#21 Playmaker

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:37 AM

I had no problem with Sammy's first stint with the Wings. It was how he left and the way he acted when he did. If I recall, he was kind of nasty and bitter about the whole thing, not being offered a deal. He was equally unpleasant when he wasn't put on the Swedish Olympic team. Also, if the rumors that he was going to dispute an attempted buyout are accurate, that really hasn't endeared him to me either. With is injury situation, Babcock has seemed to be a bit frustrated with him, along the lines of maybe not believing he's injured or as seriously injured as he says. Just an impression, no direct quotes from Babs.

But this one's all on Holland. I see what his thinking was as far as having a guy on the second unit of the PP play the point with the loss of Lidstrom. But no way in hell was he worth a two year, 6m, NTC deal. I just don't think there was that much of a market for him.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 09:04 AM

I had no problem with Sammy's first stint with the Wings. It was how he left and the way he acted when he did. If I recall, he was kind of nasty and bitter about the whole thing, not being offered a deal.

 

What I remember is that he was brutally honest - Vancouver simply offered the most money, and Sammy said so.  It was always my favourite thing about him, his interviews were always honest and he didn't deal in empty platitudes just to please the fans like so many players do (and so many fans fall for).  He's never hidden the fact that he is a proffesional hockey player i.e. playing hockey is his job, not his hobby.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 09:12 AM

I had no problem with Sammy's first stint with the Wings. It was how he left and the way he acted when he did. If I recall, he was kind of nasty and bitter about the whole thing, not being offered a deal. He was equally unpleasant when he wasn't put on the Swedish Olympic team. Also, if the rumors that he was going to dispute an attempted buyout are accurate, that really hasn't endeared him to me either. With is injury situation, Babcock has seemed to be a bit frustrated with him, along the lines of maybe not believing he's injured or as seriously injured as he says. Just an impression, no direct quotes from Babs.But this one's all on Holland. I see what his thinking was as far as having a guy on the second unit of the PP play the point with the loss of Lidstrom. But no way in hell was he worth a two year, 6m, NTC deal. I just don't think there was that much of a market for him.


He left for more cash not because he didn't get an offer. If there had been an issue like that they wouldn't have brought him back.

For a guy with his production a 2 year $3 mil a season contract is very reasonable. The issue seems to be more that he was here before and left than his actual projected production.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

The issue seems to be more that he was here before and left than his actual projected production.

 

I think it's more that he sucks.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:23 AM

Its not so difficult to suck if you're injured. And it's pretty easy to become a whipping-boy when you cost much but can't proof if you worth it. Let see what Sammy can do if healty and reevaluate his contract then. If he turns out to be a solid Top-6er the 3 Mil. are justified in my eyes. 


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:32 AM

The "Sammy sucks" thing goes way back. This isn't just about last season.

 

To be honest, I don't think he sucks. He can just be maddeningly...Samuelsson-y.

 

My big beef with him right now is he's 35. And he's given absolutely no indication that he's anything remotely close to an iron man. (The opposite, in fact.)

 

Holland likes veterans, familiarity, big guys who aren't especially physical, reclamation projects. That's why he's here. Not because he's especially impressive. Also: he's a right-handed shot.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:36 AM

 

What I remember is that he was brutally honest - Vancouver simply offered the most money, and Sammy said so.  It was always my favourite thing about him, his interviews were always honest and he didn't deal in empty platitudes just to please the fans like so many players do (and so many fans fall for).  He's never hidden the fact that he is a proffesional hockey player i.e. playing hockey is his job, not his hobby.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 11:51 AM

What I remember is that he was brutally honest - Vancouver simply offered the most money, and Sammy said so.  It was always my favourite thing about him, his interviews were always honest and he didn't deal in empty platitudes just to please the fans like so many players do (and so many fans fall for).  He's never hidden the fact that he is a proffesional hockey player i.e. playing hockey is his job, not his hobby.


That's how I remember it as well. He got more money and ended up with more icetime there too.

He took a lot of flack his first stint in Detroit but he was a great value for his contract and a key part of the offense. I don't fault Sammy at all for coming back on this contract. I fault Holland for having such a fixation on former Wings and throwing in a NTC to what was already a good contract. Sammy's production is unlikely to go up at this point in his career, even if he stays healthy.

The upside is he shoots the puck (all shinpad assassin jokes aside), he's a righthanded shot, and he's irritating to play against.

My guess is he won't produce/stay healthy enough to earn his contract, but for better or worse the Wings are stuck with him. Hopefully he contributes.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

I had no problem with Sammy's first stint with the Wings. It was how he left and the way he acted when he did. If I recall, he was kind of nasty and bitter about the whole thing, not being offered a deal. He was equally unpleasant when he wasn't put on the Swedish Olympic team. Also, if the rumors that he was going to dispute an attempted buyout are accurate, that really hasn't endeared him to me either. With is injury situation, Babcock has seemed to be a bit frustrated with him, along the lines of maybe not believing he's injured or as seriously injured as he says. Just an impression, no direct quotes from Babs.

But this one's all on Holland. I see what his thinking was as far as having a guy on the second unit of the PP play the point with the loss of Lidstrom. But no way in hell was he worth a two year, 6m, NTC deal. I just don't think there was that much of a market for him.

 

You don't recall correctly.  If I'm wrong, please post a link with Samuelsson's nasty quotes about Detroit from that time period.  Seriously, has the Samuelsson hate gotten to the point now where we're going to make up bad stories about him that never happened?  Or is the hatred just so blinding that we don't really remember and just assume everything associated with Samuelsson was negative and terrible?



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:49 PM

I would be content with just another IR stint.

My biggest gripe with Sammy is which forward doesn't play because of him? There's already a logjam up front. Even if the Wings remove a couple bodies, they are likely going to be guys that were on the fringe of being regulars anyways. Samuelsson and Bertuzzi shouldn't be playing at the expense of Nyquist and Tatar.

It was a silly contract from the start and I don't see any purpose for Samuelsson being on the team.
 
 
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

My biggest issue with Sammy being on the team isn't his play, but what he's taking away from the young guys - ice time. With Abs all but certain to be on the 1st line beside Z and Dats, and the 2nd line poised to be Mule-Weiss-Alfie, that knocks guys like Gus and Tatar down even further. The 3rd line of Tatar-Andersson(Helm, healthy)-Nyquist may end up using Sammy instead.

Goose doesn't belong on the 4th line, but then again, neither does Samuelsson. It's just an unfortunate situation to have at the moment.



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:59 PM

 

Hahaha :lol:

 

My personal fave was during the '08 finals.  For some reason the NHL stops giving us the CBC/Versus/NBC/local feed during the finals and gives us a special "international" commentary that treats the viewers like idiots.  Anyway, the intermission interviews are always a Euro from each team and they always finish the interview by saying "would you like to say something in you native tongue for the folks back home?" and the player will give a line in whatever language.

 

So one game it was Sammy for Detroit.

 

Dave Strader:  Mikael, one last thing, would you like to say something in your native tongue for the folks back home?

 

Samuelsson:  Not really *walks away*  :lol:


Edited by Nev, 24 August 2013 - 01:00 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:24 PM

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

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Of course he's not going to be an actual "All-Star", but I'm also of the opinion that Sammy gets to much flack for a guy that never had a chance to show he's worth his cap hit. I think having him and Helm back will really give us some good options at forward. Plus Sammy did play in Florida with Weiss, though I'm not sure how much they played on the same line.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

Last year you have to kinda throw out the window with Samuelsson being injured so match.
 
At the time, definitely seemed like a decent signing.  Nothing earth shattering, but the amount of flak he takes is pretty absurd at times.  At the time, couldn't have really predicted if some of the younger guys would have really stepped up in the immediate short term to produce, Nyquist, Andersson, Tatar, etc.
 
With some of the younger guys showing their potential last season, Samuelsson, and Bertuzzi as well, are at a crossroads where they're going to have to be fighting for playoff time.
 
That being said too much forward depth/experience isn't a bad problem to have.


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 04:22 PM

 

Last year you have to kinda throw out the window with Samuelsson being injured so match.
 
At the time, definitely seemed like a decent signing.  Nothing earth shattering, but the amount of flak he takes is pretty absurd at times.  At the time, couldn't have really predicted if some of the younger guys would have really stepped up in the immediate short term to produce, Nyquist, Andersson, Tatar, etc.
 
With some of the younger guys showing their potential last season, Samuelsson, and Bertuzzi as well, are at a crossroads where they're going to have to be fighting for playoff time.
 
That being said too much forward depth/experience isn't a bad problem to have.

 

 

Actually, even at the time it seemed like an awful signing, and many people here stated so.

 

As usual, we wanted Holland to target a bigger winger, and not a former washed up player.  The no-trade clause ticked even more people off.  Sammy was coming off an injury season.  Also, many people were calling for the young guns to get more playing time.

 

The signing was pointless even when it happened.  This isn't hindsight being 20/20.  Just a bad move by Holland, much like the Tootoo / Colaicovo signings and the Quincey trade.

 

 

Let's hope Alfredsson and Weiss turn out much differently. 


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:01 PM

 

What I remember is that he was brutally honest - Vancouver simply offered the most money, and Sammy said so.  It was always my favourite thing about him, his interviews were always honest and he didn't deal in empty platitudes just to please the fans like so many players do (and so many fans fall for).  He's never hidden the fact that he is a proffesional hockey player i.e. playing hockey is his job, not his hobby.

I completely disagree with the premise here. In order to be a professional at your job it does not imply that you take the most money. Many people choose to turn down job opportunities that offer greater financial compensation for many reasons such as comfort, work environment, loyalty, colleagues, etc. Squeezing pennies out of your employers isn't part of being a professional. I think that the truth is that Sammy values money higher than the other things I listed and that has no barring on his status as a professional hockey player. 


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:11 PM

Doesn't "professional" just mean "Gets paid to do what he/she does"? I mean, in the "strict" sense of the word?


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:31 PM

Doesn't "professional" just mean "Gets paid to do what he/she does"? I mean, in the "strict" sense of the word?


Right gets "paid" wouldn't you try to get paid as much as possible?

 
Actually, even at the time it seemed like an awful signing, and many people here stated so.
 
As usual, we wanted Holland to target a bigger winger, and not a former washed up player.  The no-trade clause ticked even more people off.  Sammy was coming off an injury season.  Also, many people were calling for the young guns to get more playing time.
 
The signing was pointless even when it happened.  This isn't hindsight being 20/20.  Just a bad move by Holland, much like the Tootoo / Colaicovo signings and the Quincey trade.
 
 
Let's hope Alfredsson and Weiss turn out much differently. 


If memory serves correct, and it does. Holland did try to get big name ufas. And when that plan failed he had to get the table scraps that were left.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:31 PM


I completely disagree with the premise here. In order to be a professional at your job it does not imply that you take the most money. Many people choose to turn down job opportunities that offer greater financial compensation for many reasons such as comfort, work environment, loyalty, colleagues, etc. Squeezing pennies out of your employers isn't part of being a professional. I think that the truth is that Sammy values money higher than the other things I listed and that has no barring on his status as a professional hockey player. 

 

 

The point that nev and some others make is more that you cannot blame a professional Athlet for deciding against a better team and taking more money instead. And, by the way, I can understand every person who does. It's the same everywhere : You don't need to love what you do, you only need to be good at it. You probably won't get the love and passion of the fans like people as Yzerman, Orr, Crosby and many others get. But that doesn't turn them instantly into bad and unprofessional players or bad persons per se. 

 

And that you can decide against money and still be called professional is out of question and as far as I understood, never argued for by anyone.


Edited by derblaueClaus, 24 August 2013 - 07:31 PM.

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