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#61 barabbas16

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 04:13 PM

Speaking of bitter and nasty.....Dude,I gave my opinion on Samuelsson. It wasn't based on any deep hatred for him. I had thought I remembered him being kind of pissy when he left that the Wings hadn't done more to sign him. I apologized if I misspoke. I have neither the time nor the inclination to search for quotes. If you do, knock yourself out. He's a decent player that I thought Holland overpaid for in terms of years, salary and NTC. I'm hoping the Wings find a way to rid themselves of him based solely on his ability to play or lack there of. I'd rather see others play ahead of him. Do I like his "honesty"? No. But had he been healthy and contributed this season and had the younger players flopped, I could deal with his personality a lot easier. I didn't like the Tootoo signing either and hope they can find a way to get rid of him also. But I love what he's done off the ice with charity work with youth suicides, etc. It doesn't mean I want the Wings to keep him because of that.

 

Yeah, I was saying that it wasn't really your opinion... it was something you had misremembered (if I can steal a word from Roger Clemens).  There's no need to apologize - I'm not offended or anything, I was just taking up the argument because I believed what you said to be false. 

 

I guess I come to Samuelsson's defense because I loathe the whole 'whipping boy' concept here.  I think people feed off of each other's negativity on a certain player or subject and it gets out of control.  It is almost as if your dislike (and the board's general collective dislike) for him led you to create the scenario of his bitter and nasty departure from Detroit (which didn't really happen) in your mind.

 

I know Detroit has 16 forwards and 2 have to go.... but why do we have to tie guys to the proverbial whipping post in the mean time?  We're all going to cheer just as much when Sammy or Tootoo (or Emmerton or Eaves or Bertuzzi) scores a goal next season as we are with anyone else, aren't we?  Of course, the whipping boy thing goes on during the season too, so..... I guess I'm just fighting a losing battle here.  Never mind.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:38 PM

 With is injury situation, Babcock has seemed to be a bit frustrated with him, along the lines of maybe not believing he's injured or as seriously injured as he says.

 

 

I don't think anyone really beleives he is injured, at least not to the extent he is claiming.  He was cleared by the doctors, and seemed to just want that extra million dollars...



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:59 AM

 

Our 4th line has been awful for several seasons.  Look at the series against Anaheim, where their 4th line was a huge advantage for them.  Ours did nothing in that series. Teams that win the Cup typically have a 4th line that contributes greatly throughout the run.  

 

It shouldn't just be a place to stack leftover players.  It should have identity and purpose, namely an energy line that sparks the teams and has guys with grit, size and preferably fighting ability.  A 4th line of Miller-Helm-Samuelsson isn't much of a 4th line.    

Abdelkader-Helm/Andersson-Tootoo is much more of a 4th line I'd like to see, with a healthy Tuzzi on the 1st with Z and Dats. 


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:06 PM

You mean the one season in the last several he missed a chunk of games? This isn't Colaiacovo or Lecavalier who miss 15-20 games a season. He'd been pretty consistently over 70 games a season before he was traded to Florida, hurt his groin, then tried coming back too early and reinjuring it.

I wouldn't call in one season.  He basically missed a whole season last year, missed almost half the season the year before, 7 games the year before that, 8 games the year before that.

 

I wouldn't look at playing 70 games a year as a good thing, that means you are missing 12 games a year (15%).  If you look at his career (ignoring his first couple where he bounced between the NHL and AHL), he's played 10 seasons in the league, only 2 of those seasons did he miss less than 5 games.  3 seasons he missed between 5-10 games and 5 seasons he missed 10+ (a few of which were signficantly more than 10 games).

 

Are there more injury prone guys?  Sure, but pointing to someone that might be more injury prone doesn't make him not an injury concern....espcecially with him turning 37 in a few months.

 

Also, just for the record, Lecavalier missing games is more of the exception rather than the rule (it just happens to be more recent).  If you look at his stats, he has often played 80+ games a year.



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:30 PM

I wouldn't call in one season.  He basically missed a whole season last year, missed almost half the season the year before, 7 games the year before that, 8 games the year before that.

 

I wouldn't look at playing 70 games a year as a good thing, that means you are missing 12 games a year (15%).  If you look at his career (ignoring his first couple where he bounced between the NHL and AHL), he's played 10 seasons in the league, only 2 of those seasons did he miss less than 5 games.  3 seasons he missed between 5-10 games and 5 seasons he missed 10+ (a few of which were signficantly more than 10 games).

 

Are there more injury prone guys?  Sure, but pointing to someone that might be more injury prone doesn't make him not an injury concern....espcecially with him turning 37 in a few months.

 

Also, just for the record, Lecavalier missing games is more of the exception rather than the rule (it just happens to be more recent).  If you look at his stats, he has often played 80+ games a year.

 

Datsyuk has only played one full season, 3 of 80 or more games and one with 79 games. in the last 2 and a shortened seasons he has missed 39 games. I will take Datsyuk for as many (or as little games) as he is capable of playing. No I am not comparing Sammy to Pasha, I am simply saying a lot of players lose games every year to injury. It is a physically grueling sport and not too many players can do that for 10-15-20 years without missing more than a handful of games a year to injury.



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:36 PM


You mean the one season in the last several he missed a chunk of games? This isn't Colaiacovo or Lecavalier who miss 15-20 games a season. He'd been pretty consistently over 70 games a season before he was traded to Florida, hurt his groin, then tried coming back too early and reinjuring it.


I wouldn't call in one season.  He basically missed a whole season last year, missed almost half the season the year before, 7 games the year before that, 8 games the year before that.
 
I wouldn't look at playing 70 games a year as a good thing, that means you are missing 12 games a year (15%).  If you look at his career (ignoring his first couple where he bounced between the NHL and AHL), he's played 10 seasons in the league, only 2 of those seasons did he miss less than 5 games.  3 seasons he missed between 5-10 games and 5 seasons he missed 10+ (a few of which were signficantly more than 10 games).
 
Are there more injury prone guys?  Sure, but pointing to someone that might be more injury prone doesn't make him not an injury concern....espcecially with him turning 37 in a few months.
 
Also, just for the record, Lecavalier missing games is more of the exception rather than the rule (it just happens to be more recent).  If you look at his stats, he has often played 80+ games a year.


10 games a year is acceptable. Some players are just more prone to missing a couple games here and there.

Lecavalier has missed 20% of his games the last 3 seasons. That's not missing a ton one year and being fairly healthy the other 2. That's a trend.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!






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