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#21 sleepwalker

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 12:47 PM

I've ranted about this on LGW before but it's worth saying again:  Next time someone mentions Kevlar vests stopping bullets in a goalie gear discussion be sure to tell them to ask a police officer just what happens when a Kevlar vest stops a bullet. 

 

Its a ridiculous comparison, frankly.  A bullet going faster than the speed of sound hitting a thin layer of Kevlar fabric is obviously not anywhere even remotely the same as a big thick layer of goalie protection and pads stopping a slow moving (in comparison) hockey puck.



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 12:48 PM

Goalies can still use their trapper and blocker, right?


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

 

Is it possible that The Powers That Be do indeed use something along these lines and we just don't know about it (because They don't tell us about it)? Genuine question, because, well, I'm not an engineer.

 

Multi-billion dollar industries don't just make changes for the hell of it, without knowing what the outcome of their actions will be.  I'm sure that it's thoroughly researched before it's implemented.  By whom?  I have no idea.  But I'm guessing its most likely a professional research firm, and not Al Sobotka. 


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

 

Multi-billion dollar industries don't just make changes for the hell of it, without knowing what the outcome of their actions will be.  I'm sure that it's thoroughly researched before it's implemented.  By whom?  I have no idea.  But I'm guessing its most likely a professional research firm, and not Al Sobotka. 

I know they don't make changes for the hell of it. I guess I'm just curious re: who contributes (or may possibly contribute) along the way in this kind of thing, beyond the decidedly obvious.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:30 AM

 

It's the whole picture everything is getting over analyst, more and more questionable decisions hurting the DetroitRedWings and other original 6 teams, less physical play and fights every year. I mean do people honestly believe, this whole forced offense thing is going to stop if goalie-pad shrinking doesn't work out? This is the NHL a league run by non hockeyguys so this will only be start.

 

I think you need to look further back into history before talking about shrinking goalie equipment and excessive goal scoring. Take a look at a game from the eighties. 6-4 was not a ridiculous score back then (average was almost 8 goals per game). Currently we are in one of the lowest scoring periods in NHL history.

 

And do the pads need to be so much wider then the leg they meant to protect? Or the catching glove, which would fit a soccer ball?



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:20 PM

 What were Howard's pads like?? and how does this affect the redwings? positively or  in a negative way?


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:29 PM

 What were Howard's pads like?? and how does this affect the redwings? positively or  in a negative way?


If his pads need shrinking it's definitely negative, his 5-hole is already weak

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:26 AM

 

I think you need to look further back into history before talking about shrinking goalie equipment and excessive goal scoring. Take a look at a game from the eighties. 6-4 was not a ridiculous score back then (average was almost 8 goals per game). Currently we are in one of the lowest scoring periods in NHL history.

 

And do the pads need to be so much wider then the leg they meant to protect? Or the catching glove, which would fit a soccer ball?

Exactly. 

 

I think there's still room to shrink pads and keep goalies safe.  And as you point out, the catching glove is insanely large.

 

I'm all for taking further attempts to reduce the size of goalie pads.  Better that than some other rule they come up with to try and artificially increase scoring.  Or worse, increasing net size.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:05 PM

Exactly. 
 
I think there's still room to shrink pads and keep goalies safe.  And as you point out, the catching glove is insanely large.
 
I'm all for taking further attempts to reduce the size of goalie pads.  Better that than some other rule they come up with to try and artificially increase scoring.  Or worse, increasing net size.


Soccer nets would increase scoring :P

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

Soccer nets would increase scoring :P

Or at least make it the equivalent proportionately.

A little work on google found me this:

 

 

 

hockey puck is 9.5in in circumference, goal is 4x6ft, which is 48x72 inches. That equals 3456 sq inches of net. 9.5/3456=.0027. The puck takes up .27% of the net

a soccer ball is 27 inches in circumference, the net is 8x24 feet, which is 96x288 inches. that equals 27648 sq inches of net. the ball takes up .01%'

 

I didn't double check the math.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:59 PM

Or at least make it the equivalent proportionately.

A little work on google found me this:

 

 

I didn't double check the math.

 

 

Let's account for the fact that an nhl puck is actually 7.065 square inches you have 24 feet opening to score on, which in inches is  3456 sq. inches, 7.065/3456 = .002 which is .2% of the available space to score. now assuming your soccer ball is a size 5 that would be 68-70 cm, so A = 4πr^2 (1,156 cm) = 14,527 sq cm and a soccer net opening is 222967 cm square x 7432.24 cm square = 1657144256.08 cm square. 14,527/1,657,144,256.08 = .0009, so .09%

 

Edit: typo, and I am dumb :)


Edited by Euro_Twins, 29 August 2013 - 04:19 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:14 PM

 

 

Let's account for the fact that an nhl puck is actually 7.065 square inches you have 24 feet opening to score on, which in inches is  3456 sq. inches, 7.065/3456 = .002 which is .2% of the available space to score. now assuming your soccer ball is a size 5 that would be 68-70 cm, so A = 4πr^2 (1,156 cm) = 14,527 sq cm and a soccer net opening is 243 cm tall x 731 cm wide = 177633 cm opening. the ball is 14,527 cm / 177,633 = .0818, which is 8.18% of the opening.

 

So whoever did that math was inaccurate, and you have more space technically to score in hockey than soccer. 

 

Edit: typo

 

Now you know why I made sure to point out that it is not my work.

I probably could have written a VB app that could do the math for me, but no way I can do the math!!!


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:20 PM

 

Now you know why I made sure to point out that it is not my work.

I probably could have written a VB app that could do the math for me, but no way I can do the math!!!

 

I did the math wrong lol, i did not double check before posting, see my revised post lol

 

either way, whoevers math it was, was wrong.


Edited by Euro_Twins, 29 August 2013 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:41 PM

even though the nerd level has gone way too high already, euro, in your numbers, how did you get your area for the hockey puck? most pucks are shot so that they are travelling with their flat surfaces parallel to the ground which would only give them 3 square inches of surface area moving towards the net. to me that would be more realistic considering most pucks arent shot with their flat sides perpindicular to the ground.

 

that would mean the puck only takes up .000868 of the net.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:11 PM

even though the nerd level has gone way too high already, euro, in your numbers, how did you get your area for the hockey puck? most pucks are shot so that they are travelling with their flat surfaces parallel to the ground which would only give them 3 square inches of surface area moving towards the net. to me that would be more realistic considering most pucks arent shot with their flat sides perpindicular to the ground.
 
that would mean the puck only takes up .000868 of the net.


I calculated the area of the puck. More of a worst case scenario type deal.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 10:56 AM

a basketball takes up about 60% of the net   :bye:


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:24 AM

a basketball takes up about 60% of the net   :bye:


They should make the rim bigger lol

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:32 AM

They should make the rim bigger lol

 

And they should have goalies. And they should be the robots from Pacific Rim.


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 01:04 PM

 
And they should have goalies. And they should be the robots from Pacific Rim.


And there should be linebackers taking people out going to the basket

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

And there should be linebackers taking people out going to the basket

 

Didn't the NBA already try that during the Bad Boys era?







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