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One player to put us over the top

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Saw this topic over at Hfboards and thought it was interesting. Who's the one player that you think would put us over the top, and who would you give to get him. Over there, they put everyone in the league in play and the only stipulation was that you had to give fair value to get him. I'm changing that. Has to fit under the cap, has to be "reasonably" available (so basically no elites like Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin, etc.), has to get fair value in return, and try as best you can to meet the other team's needs as well.

Also, assume that Eaves and Tootoo are gone as well. Giving us an extra 3.2 million toward the cap. As such, we'd be sitting 2.4 million below the cap.

Mine? Evander Kane for Franzen, Mrazek, 1st.

Zetterber-Datsyuk-Kane

Alfie-Weiss-Sammy

Tatar-Andersson-Nyquist

Miller-Helm-Abby

Bert

Kronwall-Ericsson

Dekeyser-Kindl

Smith-Quincey

Lashoff

Howard

Gustavsson

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Saw this topic over at Hfboards and thought it was interesting. Who's the one player that you think would put us over the top, and who would you give to get him. Over there, they put everyone in the league in play and the only stipulation was that you had to give fair value to get him. I'm changing that. Has to fit under the cap, has to be "reasonably" available (so basically no elites like Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin, etc.), has to get fair value in return, and try as best you can to meet the other team's needs as well.

Also, assume that Eaves and Tootoo are gone as well. Giving us an extra 3.2 million toward the cap. As such, we'd be sitting 2.4 million below the cap.

Mine? Evander Kane for Franzen, Mrazek, 1st.

Zetterber-Datsyuk-Kane

Alfie-Weiss-Sammy

Tatar-Andersson-Nyquist

Miller-Helm-Abby

Bert

Kronwall-Ericsson

Dekeyser-Kindl

Smith-Quincey

Lashoff

Howard

Gustavsson

I like Kane....but thats a LOT to give up for him. Mule, a first and Mrzek (goalie if the future)???.....I think that might be too much for PATRICK Kane.

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I like Kane....but thats a LOT to give up for him. Mule, a first and Mrzek (goalie if the future)???.....I think that might be too much for PATRICK Kane.

I was talking about Evander Kane, so you're probably going to be MUCH more disappointed haha. Originally I had Sammy, Mrazek, 1st, but thought that was underpayment.

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Ty Conklin!!!!

for real though, I wouldn't mind snagging Clifford, I would send over Tootoo and a 4th/5th round pick for him. or a 3rd round pick and one of our prospects, like sheehan.

Ryan Clowe, or Yandle would be good choices too. (although I know we will never get Yandle, someone I know, has a source very close to Holland and apparently the asking price for yandle was, a 1st round pick, Mrazek, tatar/nyquist, smith and possibly someone else, I don't remember now, and Holland basically hung up on him when he he heard that)


I was talking about Evander Kane, so you're probably going to be MUCH more disappointed haha. Originally I had Sammy, Mrazek, 1st, but thought that was underpayment.

I think that was why he bolded Patrick, he was saying it would be too much to give up for Patrick kane, let alone evander. Thats how I took it at least

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Ty Conklin!!!!

for real though, I wouldn't mind snagging Clifford, I would send over Tootoo and a 4th/5th round pick for him. or a 3rd round pick and one of our prospects, like sheehan.

Ryan Clowe, or Yandle would be good choices too. (although I know we will never get Yandle, someone I know, has a source very close to Holland and apparently the asking price for yandle was, a 1st round pick, Mrazek, tatar/nyquist, smith and possibly someone else, I don't remember now, and Holland basically hung up on him when he he heard that)

I think that was why he bolded Patrick, he was saying it would be too much to give up for Patrick kane, let alone evander. Thats how I took it at least

You're definitely right, I wasn't reading carefully. While I realize it might be an overpayment, you're getting a 22 year old stud power forward, for a good forward (Franzen), and really good prospect (Mrazek), and the first. The reason I'm ok with it is because I don't think Mrazek will be the goalie of the future. Not because he isn't good enough, but because Jimmy is still young and is on a five year contract. The Wings can't keep Mrazek as a AHLer and backup for that long, he's too good, and you're not likely to get anybody better than Kane down the road anyway. But I do understand why some might think that's too much.

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I think the Red Wings biggest need right now is a top-pairing d-man. Less necessary because of the DeKeyser emergence, but I still believe someone to complement Kronwall would really solidify the defense.

Granted, most teams aren't willingly going to give up such an asset. I'm sure the asking price was/would be insane, but the one name that comes to mind for me is Alex Edler. There were rumors earlier in the summer of his availability and the Red Wings being interested, so he was at that point reasonably available.

Again, without question one of Nyquist or Tatar is going the other way for starters. Beyond that, I would just be guessing at what it would take to acquire Edler.

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Dan Girardi from the Rangers. He's a UFA after this season--so it might not be that unreasonable if the Rangers fall out of contention and feel they likely can't re-sign him. Plus, Glen Sather's an idiot.

I'd trade Quincey away somehow to make room for him. NYR probably wouldn't want Quincey since he's also a UFA next offseason. But I'd overpay a bit for Girardi--a right handed guy who's extremely solid defensively. Certainly better than Q.

Kronwall-Girardi

DeKeyser-Kindl

Smith-Ericsson

Lashoff

That would be awesome...

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Dan Girardi from the Rangers. He's a UFA after this season--so it might not be that unreasonable if the Rangers fall out of contention and feel they likely can't re-sign him. Plus, Glen Sather's an idiot.

I'd trade Quincey away somehow to make room for him. NYR probably wouldn't want Quincey since he's also a UFA next offseason. But I'd overpay a bit for Girardi--a right handed guy who's extremely solid defensively. Certainly better than Q.

Kronwall-Girardi

DeKeyser-Kindl

Smith-Ericsson

Lashoff

That would be awesome...

I really like Girardi, don't get me wrong. But do you think he's the one guy that would put us over the top? I'm not so sure. He's a stud though, I'll give you that.

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I really like Girardi, don't get me wrong. But do you think he's the one guy that would put us over the top? I'm not so sure. He's a stud though, I'll give you that.

She DID know you were talking about Evander... :w00t: and yes, Girardi would be great in the winged wheel!!

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She DID know you were talking about Evander... :w00t: and yes, Girardi would be great in the winged wheel!!

Again, Girardi is a really good player. I'm just not sure that he's the missing piece in a cup run. I think our defense was fine in the playoffs last year, I just don't think we were deep enough in our top six. Adding a young, goal scoring, power forward would make the difference in my opinion. Basically I view us like the 1995 Wings, tons of skill, but in need of a big body with scoring potential. I also view Kane as a poor man's Shanahan, i.e. just what the doctor ordered.

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Can't think of anyone we could "realistically" get that would put us over the top. As in just one player.

Maybe a top line winger with size and skill, but how the hell do we acquire one of those?

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I really like Girardi, don't get me wrong. But do you think he's the one guy that would put us over the top? I'm not so sure. He's a stud though, I'll give you that.

I agree--he's not going to transform us into Cup favorites. But I definitely think he'd strengthen our chances and allow Kronwall more freedom (not that Ericsson's been bad...he's just no Girardi). Regardless, I'm guessing the Rangers extend him for $5M+ per during the season anyways (he plays over 25 minutes a night for them and would be a huge loss).

For "over-the-top", it's tough to be realistic. Even then, who could be traded? Vanek is the only elite forward that jumps out to me. So perhaps Vanek for a Franzen + picks/prospects package. Buffalo gets a solid goal-scorer in return for someone they probably can't re-sign. Obviously, to make the deal we'd have to be pretty sure Vanek would re-sign with us for a fair price.

But then again, we'd be more over the top with both Franzen and Vanek. Franzen is too old for a rebulding Buffalo anyways. I'll let you know how this goes when NHL 14 comes out haha (somehow we don't trade Nyquist/Tatar for Vanek)...

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Vanek

Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson

Nyquist-Helm-Tatar

Miller-Andersson-Abdelkader (Scratches: probablyEmmertonbecausehe'sacenter and hopefullynotSamuelssonbutmaybeBertuzziorTootooorEaves)

In reality though, hopefully this is the guy who puts us over the top by stepping up his game on a much better team.

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coulda had burmistrov for "free".....(khl) BTW...winnipeg switched with us...no compete team.

kid lost his confidence behind coach. needed russian stud to learn from***cough***dats***cough.

day 2 of free agency i would have made this happen.

lose tootoo, emmer, sammy, cleary. get brunner back.

4 out...2 in. would have been my play.

z-pav-burmi

mule-weiss-alfie

brunner-nyquil-andersson

eaves-helm?-bert

miller-tatar rotation

spread mins out over 4 lines and keep balanced attack

also...E.Kane would be a great piece...but expensive. kids got moxie.

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Up front? I'd say Thomas Vanek or Kris Versteeg

On D, Dustin Byfuglien or Yandle.

I'd say the most realistically attainable player out of these four would be Vanek. We could use a big top line, right handed shot. A right handed dman like Buf would be pretty awesome. I feel like our D is more inclined defensively and don't really contribute too much, goal-scoring wise.

Also, Versteeg's favorite player is Steve Yzerman so he's got that going for him.... :D

I couldn't possibly come up with a realistic trade for any of these guys though... I haven't been able to watch too many non-Wings games, especially Eastern Conference teams, so I wouldn't really know what would fit the other team's needs. I know that Vanek has publicly said that he would welcome a trade and he is on the last year of his contract, so he might be a relatively cheap pick up.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nhl/184861/sabres-thomas-vanek-fuels-trade-speculation

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coulda had burmistrov for "free".....(khl) BTW...winnipeg switched with us...no compete team.

Burmistrov is an RFA. The Jets still own his rights.

On D, Dustin Byfuglien or Yandle.

Two overrated defensemen who are bad at actual defense? Why?

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If give up everyone minus dats and z for Lucic or Wayne simmonds.

Lucic, Clarkson those are the type of players every team needs but I honestly think defense is more needed than offense. The DetroitRedWings lack that clutch number 1 defenseman we've become so used to for almost two decades, the only one who might be available soon is Alex Pietrangelo he fixes a lot of needs and Babcock himself has stated, that Alex reminds him of the perfect human in terms of hockey IQ. If not him, then Shattenkirk.

Vanek would be another nice option but the DetroitRedWings don't have the assets required to get him, the Sabres are going to ask for the moon and giving up that much for a rental is a gamble, I wouldn't want to take.

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To DET - Zach Bogosian

To WPG - Jakub Kindl, Jordin Tootoo, Alexei Marchenko, 2014 2nd.

Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Bogosian

Smith - Quincey

Lashoff

AND / OR

To DET - Jarret Stoll

To LAK - Patrick Eaves, Joakim Andersson, 2014 3rd.

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Bertuzzi - Weiss - Stoll

Nyquist - Franzen - Tatar

Abdelkader - Helm - Miller

Emmerton

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Burmistrov is an RFA. The Jets still own his rights.

Two overrated defensemen who are bad at actual defense? Why?

Care to make a suggestion of your own that meets the OP's requirements?

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I think we need a solid energy player if Helm does not return and if he does even better. Ryan Callahan or Shawn Mattias would be nice, both probably too expensive, but I would give up Nyquist + Tatar/Ouellet/pick for either.

If I could dream, yeah then Evander Kane or maybe Mika Zibanejad would be nice.

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Lucic, Clarkson those are the type of players every team needs but I honestly think defense is more needed than offense. The DetroitRedWings lack that clutch number 1 defenseman we've become so used to for almost two decades, the only one who might be available soon is Alex Pietrangelo he fixes a lot of needs and Babcock himself has stated, that Alex reminds him of the perfect human in terms of hockey IQ. If not him, then Shattenkirk.

Vanek would be another nice option but the DetroitRedWings don't have the assets required to get him, the Sabres are going to ask for the moon and giving up that much for a rental is a gamble, I wouldn't want to take.

if we don't have the assets required to get vanek.. then we sure as hell don't have the ones to get pietrangelo.

though i'd absolutely love to get him in the winged wheel. he's going to be one of the best dmen for years to come

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We need goals.

More than that, though, we need a top-flight defenseman.

Going into this season, we can all agree: if we have an Achilles' heel, it's our D.

That's not good.

Here are four defensemen who might be able to help our cause:

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Dan Girardi had a rough year, I guess. Some would say brutal. And yet, the Rags did pretty well for themselves, all things considered. (Even though they were a crushing disappointment, and Brad Richards died in that terrible accident, etc.) This makes me think maybe Giradi's kinda sorta expendable tradable able-to-be-parted-with. OK, not really, but this is all pretend anyway.

Dan Girardi for one or two or three of the following:

- A roster defenseman who isn't Kronwall or DeKeyser (or maybe Smith)

- A non-first-round pick (maybe a first-rounder. Depends)

- A solid prospect/youngin'

- Franzen

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I think we need a solid energy player if Helm does not return and if he does even better. Ryan Callahan or Shawn Mattias would be nice, both probably too expensive, but I would give up Nyquist + Tatar/Ouellet/pick for either.

If I could dream, yeah then Evander Kane or maybe Mika Zibanejad would be nice.

That's why I suggested Clifford

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