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Bettman getting a raise (again) 8 - 8,3 million in 2012 - 2013

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Who cares about Stern (NBA), Selig (MLB) or Goddell (NFL) this thread is about hockey and when it comes to hockey he is overpaid. 3 lockouts are unexcuseable, making more than the product people actually want to watch is just pure nuts. There is also a reason, why commissioners are getting boo'ed so much they are bad for the sport and leagues would be better off without them.

Guess what a hockeyguy would cost less, not trash the sport with his growing the game crap AND actually be welcomed when he presents the Stanley Cup.

Can't believe people are still defending the guy, who has cost us one year of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Yzerman and a prime Lidström.

Fans don't like the commissioners, but the owners do. The key there is that the owners are the ones that actually pay the salaries and make decisions on employment. So, in Bettman's case, he's done a great job in the minds of his employers. To correct the orginal poster, it's not more than 90% it is actually around 99%, there are only a handful of guys out of 700 that make more than that.

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He gets paid 8 million dollars. This is offensive to me. Not outrageous, because I know how the world works. Just offensive.

Yeah it's offensive to you and many others because you probably don't make even 1% of 8mil and probably think you could do a better job than him or that putting in someone like Yzerman is going to change something. If it wasn't for the owners there is no way the players would be able to or be willing to support a league without the owners and their money. That's why the owners put in someone like Bettman and not someone like Yzerman.

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That make sense for this day and age. Give the Man that has destroyed this great sport a raise. If this was 30 years ago I would say he was connected to the mob or something

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There seems to be some confusion over what Bettman's job actually is. He is not responsible for making the fans happy. We don't directly pay him, after all. His primary concern is keeping the owners happy. That's who signs his paychecks. Looking exclusively at that position, Bettman had done a stellar job. Under his regime the NHL has steadily increased profits, thrived under cheaper and alternative media outlets, introduced and popularized the cash cow Winter Classic, and while there had been a few lockouts, each one had resulted in more power/money being shifted from the players to the owners. The owners are as happy as they've ever been, thus Bettman is sticking around, likely with regular pay raises in the future.

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There seems to be some confusion over what Bettman's job actually is. He is not responsible for making the fans happy. We don't directly pay him, after all. His primary concern is keeping the owners happy. That's who signs his paychecks. Looking exclusively at that position, Bettman had done a stellar job. Under his regime the NHL has steadily increased profits, thrived under cheaper and alternative media outlets, introduced and popularized the cash cow Winter Classic, and while there had been a few lockouts, each one had resulted in more power/money being shifted from the players to the owners. The owners are as happy as they've ever been, thus Bettman is sticking around, likely with regular pay raises in the future.

as i mentioned above though, how can he be doing a good job for the owners when they spent the last 12 months convincing fans that at least 2/3's of the league was losing money????

thats the definition of not doing a good job.

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as i mentioned above though, how can he be doing a good job for the owners when they spent the last 12 months convincing fans that at least 2/3's of the league was losing money????

thats the definition of not doing a good job.

He's not doing a good job for the fans, as they just want to watch quality hockey. For owners though it's mostly about the money.

Bettman can say publicly to the fans about how the league is in dire financial straits due to players salaries, but the guys who actually know the full financial condition of the NHL just gave him a raise. And I'm guessing it's not because they're losing millions of dollars.

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as i mentioned above though, how can he be doing a good job for the owners when they spent the last 12 months convincing fans that at least 2/3's of the league was losing money????

thats the definition of not doing a good job.

To echo Haroldsnepsts' response, I'm incredibly skeptical about exactly how many teams are allegedly suffering. I obviously can't back up my opinions with facts simply because this kind of data isn't made public, but a general rule-of-thumb about billionaires is that they're pretty clever when it comes to money, and I suspect a lot of team that are supposedly in bad shape only appear to be in financial troubles because of either clever book-keeping, or maybe even straight lies from the BOG and Bettman during the lockout in attempts at winning the publicity war. In any event, the results speak for themselves. Bettman has been around since the 90's, and I haven't heard even a whisper of discontent about how he is doing his job from owners. He's obviously doing something they like, and what they like is typically the bottom line.

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I couldn't care less how much he makes, it is either going in his pocket, or the owners anyways, so it makes no difference to me which rich person gets richer

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There seems to be some confusion over what Bettman's job actually is. He is not responsible for making the fans happy. We don't directly pay him, after all. His primary concern is keeping the owners happy. That's who signs his paychecks. Looking exclusively at that position, Bettman had done a stellar job. Under his regime the NHL has steadily increased profits, thrived under cheaper and alternative media outlets, introduced and popularized the cash cow Winter Classic, and while there had been a few lockouts, each one had resulted in more power/money being shifted from the players to the owners. The owners are as happy as they've ever been, thus Bettman is sticking around, likely with regular pay raises in the future.

Iltich, Dolan, Molson, Peddie, Snyderand the Acquilinis are known for not liking the guy add to that guys like Pegula, Thompson, Burkle who were all against the lockout and you end up with a good bunch of owners, who flatout hate him or at least aren't agreeing with him.

When it comes down to "losing money" it's funnywe are only hearing about that in lockout years or whenevera CBA is expiring, I call it creative bookkeeping. The owners are all billionaires and nobody can tell me, that they don't know how to hide money and make their anually income worse than it actually is. Money can buy you the best accountants, lawyers and other specialists. Just look at the Devils they've lost 25 million last year but yet two guys are lining up to 320 million for them, these are smart business-men they know exactly what they are getting in and what to expect. The funny thing to me with every CBA is, that the players have to make their contracts public yet the NHL doesn't need to do it, talk about a one way street.

The NHL would have grown without Bettman also, things like streaming or better worldwide coverage have nothing to do with a commissioner these things happened because of advanced technology, internet-flatrates and the emergence of smartphones, tablets.

In terms of owners pocket:

Guess what, the payroll for guys like the best owner in all of sports is still high the only difference being he has to use his money to support failed and questionable franchises in markets that shouldn't even have a team to begin with. The Blues for example are having a great team and yet can't even fill their arena, so why support and help them signing Pietrangelo? Makes no sense to me, Mr. I should be allowed to use his money to ice a great team, so should Dolan, Peddie, Acquinli, Pegula...The last CBA had something like the top 10 clubs in terms of revenue paying out 200 million to revenue sharing so that's 20 million for each club -->grants you 2 absolute superstars!

So sorry if I am not buying into the whole Bettman has done wonderful things no he hasn't and never will, watering down the Winterclassic is just another mistake.

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Finally! My boy Bettman is executive of the year. That, along with game of the year (Winter Classic), and league of the year (NHL) makes being a hockey fan breezy. Plus, ratings are up and attendance is strong. Nowhere to go but up for the worlds' greatest game, all thanks to the worlds' greatest executive. God bless you Gary Bettman, and god bless the National Hockey League!

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/05/red_wings-maple_leafs_winter_c_4.html

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The NHL is making money. He's doing his job. The owners and players are as much to blame for the problems as he is if not more so.

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The NHL is making money. He's doing his job. The owners and players are as much to blame for the problems as he is if not more so.

I agree. Dude's doing a good job. The league is great, the game has never been more exciting, and he's the guy responsible for it. I'd give him another raise if I were in charge.

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It's a f....cking shame the guy is making than 90 % of the players,

why?

Edited by vladdy16, Today, 01:05 PM.

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Funny! Well, my point was not political, but common sense:

why we care so much about how much somebody makes when we dont pay them, while we dont give a poop about these who gets paid from our taxes?

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Fans hate him but from a business perspective he's done fairly well, the raise is understandable

While it's partly because the teams are all playing well right now, Bettman has been able to create hockey markets in California and Texas... who would've expected that?

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Fans hate him but from a business perspective he's done fairly well, the raise is understandable

While it's partly because the teams are all playing well right now, Bettman has been able to create hockey markets in California and Texas... who would've expected that?

Him. Which is why he gets paid the big bucks.

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Him. Which is why he gets paid the big bucks.

I'm not so concerned with some of the failing franchises in non hockey markets he's created, the only way to broaden your reach is to expand to markets you wouldn't otherwise be associated with. What irks me more than anything about buttman is his obvious lack of negotiating skills. Every negotiation for a new cba with him has ended in a lockout, which leaves a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. Start negotiating a year before the contract expires and wrap it up before the season starts. If I walked out every time I was up for a raise I would get fired. Keep the game going and stop interrupting my hockey and I'll care less who is in charge or how much they make.

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Fans hate him but from a business perspective he's done fairly well, the raise is understandable

While it's partly because the teams are all playing well right now, Bettman has been able to create hockey markets in California and Texas... who would've expected that?

Bettman did not create the hockey markets in California.

The Kings were part of the 1967 expansion, the Sharks were 1991, and the Ducks were awarded a franchise in 1992. Bettman became commissioner in February of 93. None of those franchises were his decision.

Gretzky being traded to Los Angeles had more to do with hockey in California than anything Gary did.

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Bettman did not create the hockey markets in California.

The Kings were part of the 1967 expansion, the Sharks were 1991, and the Ducks were awarded a franchise in 1992. Bettman became commissioner in February of 93. None of those franchises were his decision.

Gretzky being traded to Los Angeles had more to do with hockey in California than anything Gary did.

Furthermore, the teams that were moved or were part of the expansion, since the "Bettman Era" goes as followed

North Stars moved to Dallas in 93'

Florida Panthers founded in 94'

Nordiques moved to Denver in 95'

Jets moved to PHX in 96' - financial debocle

Whalers moved to Carolina in 97'

Nashville founded in 98'

Atlanta in 99', shut down and moved back to Winnepeg in 11'/12'

Blue Jackets founded in 2000

Some may see as Bettman stabilizing the NHL due to the forced CBA's and lockouts, a way to make other teams having a chance to be competitive as money could be spent generously by some owners to "buy" a cup and since then, other teams have become successful and been competitive.

Bettman could of handled a lot of things in a more respectful fashion I feel and has burned more bridges and created some bad situations despite his forward movement; I think this is why many of the players/fans do not have a warm/fuzzy feeling towards him.

Yes, I am not a fan of Bettman and I am sure this post will get quoted and flamed like before, but just remember; I am a Wings fan and take pride in having class, if you are a Wings fan on the site and treat fellow family members here with disrespect, then you do not convey class nor respect.

Edited due to poor grammar - posting from my phone

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Bettman did not create the hockey markets in California.

That reminds me of this: the League had the opportunity to expand to the west a long time before 1967-68. The first applications, along with Philadelphia, for expansion teams in the League were made by groups in Los Angeles and San Francisco in 1945-46.

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