pucktividi 472 Report post Posted October 8, 2013 And after 2 games he's on 3rd line again despite scoring.He was wrong for rejecting the Wings offers and he'll realise it sooner than later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted October 8, 2013 And after 2 games he's on 3rd line again despite scoring. At least the team is winning! 1 pucktividi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) They make zero sense. The devils have scored more then 5 goals NOW they have. At the time Brunner scored goal 2 in last night's game they had only scored 5 goals....they have currently scored 7 goals this season in 3 games. Thu Oct 3, 2013 Devils Penguins 7:00 PM FINAL NJD (0) - PIT (3) Recap Fri Oct 4, 2013 Islanders Devils 7:00 PM FINAL NYI (4) - NJD (3) SO Recap Mon Oct 7, 2013 Devils Oilers 9:30 PM FINAL NJD (4) - EDM (5) SO Recap Edited October 8, 2013 by rrasco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilzyme 769 Report post Posted October 8, 2013 At least the team is winning! Wait a second..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 8, 2013 I like Brunner and think he could've been a nice addition here, but here's a pretty good example of why he would not be guaranteed a spot in the top 6. It is something he could've worked his way up to, but he's not defensively responsible enough at the moment to earn that ice time. At least not under Babcock. (it's a blog that occasionally picks a play and gives a good analysis of what happened and where the breakdowns occurred). http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/10/08/systems-analyst-puck-obsessed-devils-puck-stare-because-the-puck-is-a-puck-and-players-like-pucks/#more-86470 My favorite part is this summation of what it means to be defensively responsible: Defensive responsibility is about the willingness to put aside the 5% opportunity for a great offensive chance to stop the 25% chance you’re going to be counted on to stop an opportunity from happening on your own net. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 8, 2013 I like Brunner and think he could've been a nice addition here, but here's a pretty good example of why he would not be guaranteed a spot in the top 6. It is something he could've worked his way up to, but he's not defensively responsible enough at the moment to earn that ice time. At least not under Babcock. (it's a blog that occasionally picks a play and gives a good analysis of what happened and where the breakdowns occurred). http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/10/08/systems-analyst-puck-obsessed-devils-puck-stare-because-the-puck-is-a-puck-and-players-like-pucks/#more-86470 My favorite part is this summation of what it means to be defensively responsible: WOW, that was an egregious disregard for defense. I don't think he'd have dared do that under Babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted October 8, 2013 I liked that article too. Good read Harold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted October 9, 2013 Good article. I wonder how much of Brunner's lack of defensive awareness comes from not having played defensively responsible hockey before, and how much of it is him wanting to be a hero. Game's tied, is he smelling the glory of the clutch GAG, or is it just a derp? I've heard the impression of him in Switzerland was that he was a prima donna, but I never got that impression of him here. Until the whole "not signing because he was demanding a top six spot" debacle, anyway. Who knows if there was more to it...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted October 9, 2013 WOW, that was an egregious disregard for defense. I don't think he'd have dared do that under Babcock. Did you not see Franzen on the PK on Saturday? 1 LidsFan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted October 9, 2013 fact is our third line sucks without Brunner and Nyquist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) I like Brunner and think he could've been a nice addition here, but here's a pretty good example of why he would not be guaranteed a spot in the top 6. It is something he could've worked his way up to, but he's not defensively responsible enough at the moment to earn that ice time. At least not under Babcock. (it's a blog that occasionally picks a play and gives a good analysis of what happened and where the breakdowns occurred). http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/10/08/systems-analyst-puck-obsessed-devils-puck-stare-because-the-puck-is-a-puck-and-players-like-pucks/#more-86470 My favorite part is this summation of what it means to be defensively responsible: It's similar to Ovechkin after 2 games having 4 goals and somehow still managing to be a minus 4. ?!! I'd seriously like to read his break down of that. Edited October 9, 2013 by T.Low Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 9, 2013 Did you not see Franzen on the PK on Saturday? Sigh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted October 9, 2013 Haha, that blog post is awesome. It's easy for armchair fans like me to look at scoring numbers and wonder why Brunner wasn't resigned (well, initially, anyway), but if you're a coach like Babcock that understands the game on a higher level and has seen mistakes like this over and over again in games and practices...it's no small wonder skilled guys like Brunner and Tatar end up in the doghouse for reasons that seem unwarranted. I really think the whole NHL is just smarter about this kind of thing now. It's really no different than basketball - it's a 5-on-5 game where each player has both offensive and defensive responsibilities. But in the NBA, casual fans seem to understand that a guy that puts up 20 PPG but plays crap defense is a garbage player. Meanwhile, the Marian Gaborik's and poor man's versions of him with offensive skill seem to skate along, and invariably get big money from dumb teams, even though they cost their team as much as they help. To be fair, defensive in hockey is much more amorphous than the largely man-to-man NBA. 4 derblaueClaus, Son of a Wing, T.Low and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 @TGfireandice: Brunner confirms he'll be healthy scratch tonight. @TGfireandice: Brunner has no points in last 10 games. Second verse, same as the first... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Haha, that blog post is awesome. It's easy for armchair fans like me to look at scoring numbers and wonder why Brunner wasn't resigned (well, initially, anyway), but if you're a coach like Babcock that understands the game on a higher level and has seen mistakes like this over and over again in games and practices...it's no small wonder skilled guys like Brunner and Tatar end up in the doghouse for reasons that seem unwarranted. I really think the whole NHL is just smarter about this kind of thing now. It's really no different than basketball - it's a 5-on-5 game where each player has both offensive and defensive responsibilities. But in the NBA, casual fans seem to understand that a guy that puts up 20 PPG but plays crap defense is a garbage player. Meanwhile, the Marian Gaborik's and poor man's versions of him with offensive skill seem to skate along, and invariably get big money from dumb teams, even though they cost their team as much as they help. To be fair, defensive in hockey is much more amorphous than the largely man-to-man NBA. This, and thank you for mentioning Tatar. I felt like I was going to get lynched by a mob when I criticized his in zone and neutral zone play last week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 @TGfireandice: Brunner confirms he'll be healthy scratch tonight. @TGfireandice: Brunner has no points in last 10 games. Second verse, same as the first... just can't hang at the next level?? maybe they'll take sammy for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 just can't hang at the next level?? maybe they'll take sammy for him I'd make that trade in a heartbeat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 I'd make that trade in a heartbeat! ohya!! maybe kenny can convince them that they're stuck with brunner thru next year.. but sammy is done after this year so it's worth the gamble/they could use his "veteran presence" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 ohya!! maybe kenny can convince them that they're stuck with brunner thru next year.. but sammy is done after this year so it's worth the gamble/they could use his "veteran presence" If they're hesitant we'll sweeten the pot with the incomparable Daniel Cleary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 If they're hesitant we'll sweeten the pot with the incomparable Daniel Cleary. Overpayment we shouldn't have to do that we are the Detroit Red Wings GET OUT Of HERE 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Sammy and or Cleary plus a high round pick for him? Won't get it done. Sadly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AusWing40 61 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Is anyone else getting slight satisfaction at the fact he's a healthy scratch and not producing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 No, he was mislead by his agent. I don't harbor any ill will toward him. He has flaws but he always seemed sincere about working on them. 5 datsyukian_13, Opie, GoWings1905 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Brunner is a one-dimensional player who can't create offense on his own. He is, like Hudler, useful in a complementary role. Perhaps he'll improve, but I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Does anyone know who his usual linemates were? Jw mostly but that could have something to do with it.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites