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#21 ForzaVerde

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:20 PM

Sure is, but not for 42 million dollars after 100 nhl games and 76 points, which is respectable but by no means deserving of that huge contract. He only scored 4 goals this past season...


Time will tell, I guess.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 06:42 AM

Yo! What up all? Hope you enjoyed your summers (been a while).

 

I really like RNH, and lets be fair, with the situation Edmonton are in, if they don't sign him for his outstanding potential, they'll pretty much have no one except another kid with less potential and less skill. It's no surprise that with RNH injured to start this season they're most likely going to play Hall centre... their top line winger. Most likely because promoting their second line C won't be good enough/will have drastic knock on effects for the lower order. Their management situation (what is it, like 5 coaches in 6 years?) makes it an unattractive place to go to if you're a prime player.

 

With that in mind, I believe that, whilst the contract is indeed a big risk, it's pretty necessary. (All opinion)


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:11 PM

Yo! What up all? Hope you enjoyed your summers (been a while).
 
I really like RNH, and lets be fair, with the situation Edmonton are in, if they don't sign him for his outstanding potential, they'll pretty much have no one except another kid with less potential and less skill. It's no surprise that with RNH injured to start this season they're most likely going to play Hall centre... their top line winger. Most likely because promoting their second line C won't be good enough/will have drastic knock on effects for the lower order. Their management situation (what is it, like 5 coaches in 6 years?) makes it an unattractive place to go to if you're a prime player.
 
With that in mind, I believe that, whilst the contract is indeed a big risk, it's pretty necessary. (All opinion)


Yup. When RNH comes back, Edmonton is going ro be a threat. This might be the year all the rebuilding bears fruit. I expect them to make the playoffs.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:09 AM

Isn't this the type of contract the Wings normally sign guys to?  Maybe not to this great of an extent, but the Wings normally aren't dealing with as high end talent.  However, you sign him to this deal in the hopes that he reaches the lofty potential and the deal becomes a bargain in the long-term.

 

When I first saw the deal, I thought it was way overpayment and it really is right now, but it's obviously a big risk that they are hoping will pay off (they've given similar deals to their other young players as well).



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:43 AM

Isn't this the type of contract the Wings normally sign guys to?  Maybe not to this great of an extent, but the Wings normally aren't dealing with as high end talent.  However, you sign him to this deal in the hopes that he reaches the lofty potential and the deal becomes a bargain in the long-term.
 
When I first saw the deal, I thought it was way overpayment and it really is right now, but it's obviously a big risk that they are hoping will pay off (they've given similar deals to their other young players as well).


Find me one long term big money contract like this the wings have signed after the entry level contract is up please. The equivalent to this for us would be signing Tatar after this year to a 7 year $35 million contract

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 10:38 AM

Find me one long term big money contract like this the wings have signed after the entry level contract is up please. The equivalent to this for us would be signing Tatar after this year to a 7 year $35 million contract


Find me (1) #1 overall pick we have coming off entry level. Your analogy is terrible. I like Tatar, but he's going to finish with 200-500 career pts more than likely. RNH will get 1000-1500 and end up in the HHOF. They are paying RNH Datsyuk money because they know he's going to produce Datsyuk pts.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 10:43 AM

Find me one long term big money contract like this the wings have signed after the entry level contract is up please. The equivalent to this for us would be signing Tatar after this year to a 7 year $35 million contract

Like I said....."not normally to this extent" - meaning, not as long term with as big dollars and there is a good reason for that.....they don't have any #1 overall draft picks on the roster.  So...when you are dealing with lower potential upside, obviously the term and $ will be lower, but the Wings definitely have a history of overpaying intially in the hopes of overachieving before contract end.



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:29 PM

Find me (1) #1 overall pick we have coming off entry level. Your analogy is terrible. I like Tatar, but he's going to finish with 200-500 career pts more than likely. RNH will get 1000-1500 and end up in the HHOF. They are paying RNH Datsyuk money because they know he's going to produce Datsyuk pts.


Sorry this is ridiculous. Predicting season stats is a bit silly, but predicting career stats and saying a 20 yr old is going to be in the HHOF is beyond laughable. They don't "know" anything. They're hoping this will pay off in the end, but there's a chance it could bite them in the ass. He could turn out to be an average forward

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:34 PM

Nugent-Hopkins is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery and isn't expected to be in the lineup until November.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:40 PM

The bottom line is, you can never trust a guy with a hyphenated last name....

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:52 PM

 

Nugent-Hopkins is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery and isn't expected to be in the lineup until November.

 

Good thing this deal doesn't kick in until next season :lol:



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:56 PM

Sorry this is ridiculous. Predicting season stats is a bit silly, but predicting career stats and saying a 20 yr old is going to be in the HHOF is beyond laughable. They don't "know" anything. They're hoping this will pay off in the end, but there's a chance it could bite them in the ass. He could turn out to be an average forward



We already reviewed #1 overalls. Remember? 80% success rate as league all-stars / HOF calibur. RNH looks like he fits the bill.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:22 PM

Pretty big deal for a young kid. 


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 07:53 PM

Find me (1) #1 overall pick we have coming off entry level. Your analogy is terrible. I like Tatar, but he's going to finish with 200-500 career pts more than likely. RNH will get 1000-1500 and end up in the HHOF. They are paying RNH Datsyuk money because they know he's going to produce Datsyuk pts.

 

First of all I compensated for the difference by giving a different $ figure, Secondly after 100 games you should not be giving any play 6 mil a year, doesn't matter what his potential is or what draft position he was picked. What happened to playing hard and earning a raise. They could have waited to see what he would offer them this year in a full season, instead they jumped the gun, and I hope they pay dearly for it. This is exactly the reason NHL salaries have become so inflated, but hey let's have another lockout to try and save us from ourselves, right... right?



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:44 AM

 
First of all I compensated for the difference by giving a different $ figure, Secondly after 100 games you should not be giving any play 6 mil a year, doesn't matter what his potential is or what draft position he was picked. What happened to playing hard and earning a raise. They could have waited to see what he would offer them this year in a full season, instead they jumped the gun, and I hope they pay dearly for it. This is exactly the reason NHL salaries have become so inflated, but hey let's have another lockout to try and save us from ourselves, right... right?


I believe in supply and demand = free market. Players shouldnt have to sign under-valued contracts because there has been a lockout in the past or one is looming. The Oil ponied up for their #1. Whats wrong with that?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:56 AM

I believe in supply and demand = free market. Players shouldnt have to sign under-valued contracts because there has been a lockout in the past or one is looming. The Oil ponied up for their #1. Whats wrong with that?


You still don't get it. It's way over valued. He has barely any nhl experience, he hasn't earned anything, he's not their #1 either, maybe one day but not even close yet. It is a stupid signing, end of story.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:34 PM

what ever happened to tweener contracts?  2 years at 3.5 and then a payday would have been fair for Hall, Eberle and now Nugent-Hopkins.  Then Schultz will ask for 5-6 mil and Yakupov will get traded for less than the Oilers want for him cause teams know they won't be able to afford him.  He gets traded at the deadline this year for sure, or next season before his ELC expires so a new team can negotiate a new contract with him.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:40 PM

 

First of all I compensated for the difference by giving a different $ figure, Secondly after 100 games you should not be giving any play 6 mil a year, doesn't matter what his potential is or what draft position he was picked. What happened to playing hard and earning a raise. They could have waited to see what he would offer them this year in a full season, instead they jumped the gun, and I hope they pay dearly for it. This is exactly the reason NHL salaries have become so inflated, but hey let's have another lockout to try and save us from ourselves, right... right?

1 - Salaries only inflate when revenues inflate, so giving out deals like this does nothing...the players will get what they get regardless (x% of revenues)

 

2 - I understand what you are saying about earning the raise, but the deal is done this way to avoid paying him a modest amount over the next 2 years and then have to pay him boatloads more than $6M in a couple years if he becomes one of the elite players in the league and the salary cap has gone up.  It is purely a risk management decision, plain and simple.  They'd rather pay him $6M for 7 years, then $3M for the next 2 + $9M for the next 5 years after that.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:04 PM

The team will lose one of Ganger/Nail/Schultz due to cap limitations, but, you got to pick your poison and you can't let a guy like RHN get away.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:14 PM

when i watch oilers games hall and eberle and schultz are the ones that impress me. i know rnh is young but id bet that eberle and hall have better careers.







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