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#21 ogreslayer

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:33 PM

If DeKeyser & Kindl aren't already considered the 2nd pairing by the coaching staff, I would expect that opinion's going to change pretty soon now.  I would love to see Babs at least split up Smith & Quincey because that pairing, at least to my eyes, has just not worked at all.  Do you just shake up the 2nd & 3rd pairings though, all the pairings, or maybe does Lashoff work in more & the bottom pairing becomes a rotation of Lash-Q-Smith?



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:41 PM

There were times when Smith looked pretty bad last night, but I thought at other times he did a pretty good job of getting control of the puck and using his skating ability to calm things down and allow the team to get up ice.  My biggest knock against him is his decision making, which is poor, but should come around as he matures.  As such, I think this thread's a bit premature.  He's been bad quite a bit in the past, and at time VERY bad.  But by now that should be expected of a young defenseman on this team.  I say wait and see with Smith.  Give him as much time as you gave Kindl, and then go from there.  Unless, of course, Sproul or Quellet somehow pass him in the depth charts in the next year or two.  Which is possible, but not probable. 


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:35 PM

Smith and Franzen for Edler and kassian

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:00 PM

I was only able to watch parts of the Pens game and I have to say I'm understanding the negative rep Smitty's been getting here on LGW.  The few games I've seen him in this preseason were not that good.  I'm hoping he turns things around when the season starts up.

 

I still think there is a lot of untapped potential with him, too.  Maybe he'll pull a Quincey and flourish with another team - in a hypothetical scenario that has him traded, of course.

 

 The silver lining in the whole thing, for me, is that we are so deep with defensive prospects that we could probably afford to trade him if that scenario did present itself.  I'd imagine that he could get a pretty decent return as well, or otherwise be a big piece of a larger trade.

 

For the record I like Smith and I hope he stays and gets better.  I'm just an optimist and I like to look for the positive side of potential negatives (Smith staying in this funk and/or getting traded). 

he's terrible, and that doesn't look to be changing any time soon.

Exactly how many players on this team are not terrible, or "losers" as you have said before?  In your assuredly very astute, non-opprobrious opinion, I mean.


Edited by Wingsfan72, 26 September 2013 - 03:38 PM.



 
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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:22 PM

Smith and Franzen for Edler and kassian

Quincey to Edmonton for their newly acquired Ference, whom i'm guessing was signed to let Schultz do his thing and not be -100 for a full season.  Ference is a lot like Stuart and would be the ideal type player to pair with Smith.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:08 PM

Exactly how many players on this team are not terrible, or "losers" as you have said before?  In your assuredly very astute, non-opprobrious opinion, I mean.

 

there are several players that are either very good or at least effective at what they can do.

 

unfortunately, they're surrounded by a lot of garbage.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:45 PM

I'm not ready to give up on him yet. But the kid looks terrible so far in his NHL career. If he doesn't show some significant improvement by season's end, I think it'll be time to either send him back down to GR for awhile, or part ways completely.

 

That's never going to happen.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:06 PM

 

there are several players that are either very good or at least effective at what they can do.

 

unfortunately, they're surrounded by a lot of garbage.

 

Several players, so you mean Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Abby, Franzen, Weiss, Alfie, Nyquist, Andy, Tatar, Miller, Eaves, Tootoo, bertuzzi(shootouts), Kronner, Ericsson, Kindl, Dekeyser and obviously howie. 

 

That sounds like most of our team, where is this "garbage"? what 4 players? (I didn't include helm cause he is injured)



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:13 PM

Its important to remember that Smith is still very much inexperienced.  Due to the lockout and the fact that we've been hearing so much from him in previous years, its easy to forget that as of right now, he only has 48 regular season games, and 14 playoff games of NHL experience under his belt.  By the way, he has 15 regular season points, and 5 playoff points, which is a pretty respectable pace, IMO.  He just needs to keep working on his play on the defensive side of the puck.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:27 PM

Honestly, he drives me insane, but so did a guy named Jakub Kindl for about three years. Defensemen blossom late - he just really needs to calm down. Most of us around here (myself included) were ready to ship Jake off without a second thought. Now the guy's considered the 2nd best offensive d-man on the team and looks great running that second PP unit.

Seriously, how many defenders truly meet their expectations? Just from around the same period of time Smith was drafted... Hickey, Ellerby, Plante, Petrecki, Teubert, Cuma, Ellis, de Haan, Moore, etc, etc. Tons of defenders have no played up to their expectations, nor does it seem as if they will. Smith is in a good position to be insulated and play regular time on the third pairing. I know we'd all love to see young talent flourish on the team, but I think defenders are a whole different animal. Only time will tell whether or not Smith will meet his expected potential.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:24 PM

 

Several players, so you mean Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Abby, Franzen, Weiss, Alfie, Nyquist, Andy, Tatar, Miller, Eaves, Tootoo, bertuzzi(shootouts), Kronner, Ericsson, Kindl, Dekeyser and obviously howie. 

 

That sounds like most of our team, where is this "garbage"? what 4 players? (I didn't include helm cause he is injured)

 

LOL

 

abdelkader? eaves? bertuzzi?  tootoo??

 

cmon bro

 

seriously

 

cmon



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:06 PM

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:12 PM

 

LOL

 

abdelkader? eaves? bertuzzi?  tootoo??

 

cmon bro

 

seriously

 

cmon

 

Not everything's measured by point totals "bro".

 

In regards to Smith, he actually makes me feel sorry for Quincey at times. And I'm not a big fan of Quincey...


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:04 PM

Its important to remember that Smith is still very much inexperienced.  Due to the lockout and the fact that we've been hearing so much from him in previous years, its easy to forget that as of right now, he only has 48 regular season games, and 14 playoff games of NHL experience under his belt.  By the way, he has 15 regular season points, and 5 playoff points, which is a pretty respectable pace, IMO.  He just needs to keep working on his play on the defensive side of the puck.

NHL irony at it's finest...

 

Smith - 1st round draft pick that was 'top dog' pretty much at every level he played now is struggling at the NHL level of play...

 

DeKeyser - some no name kid  who had to bust his balls in order to get to the next level, and most considered him a long shot to become a pro  - now plays with poise as though he had been in the NHL for several seasons...


Edited by F.Michael, 26 September 2013 - 08:06 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 09:05 PM

Smith's NHL career hasn't even been the length of one full season. 

 

He was getting middle pairing minutes in the playoffs last year, so Babcock must see something in him.  Until he gets a full regular season under his belt, it's hard for me to have any idea what his ceiling is in terms of development. 

Pretty much agree with this. His sample size is still way, way too small to make any sort of judgement. That said, he has looked very shaky but he's also 24 years old.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 09:25 PM

Yes, Smith looks bad, but as others said, Kindl looked bad for quite a while. Howard also looked really bad the first bunch of games he played. Not a defenceman, but I think the point still stands that the NHL takes a while to get used to players not named Dekeyser. 



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 09:52 PM

NHL irony at it's finest...

 

Smith - 1st round draft pick that was 'top dog' pretty much at every level he played now is struggling at the NHL level of play...

 

DeKeyser - some no name kid  who had to bust his balls in order to get to the next level, and most considered him a long shot to become a pro  - now plays with poise as though he had been in the NHL for several seasons...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if DeKeyser went through a similar slump that Smith, Kindl, Ericsson, etc went through.  In the 10-15 NHL games he's played in, DeKeyer has looked solid, so perhaps he may bypass that phase.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:53 PM

Can everybody wait until we get to see Smith against a team that isnt top 5? You all realize that Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and Anaheim are the best 5 teams in the league, right? Our last 20 games have been BRUTAL. Probably the most difficult strength of schedule for a 20 game stretch EVER. I expect our yound defensemen to struggle against the Crosbys, Malkins, Perrys, Getzlafs, Krssels, Kadris, Kanes, Toews, Bergerons, and Lucic's of the league. Every team struggles against them. Give Smith a chance. He's really good and plays with grit.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:00 AM

Can everybody wait until we get to see Smith against a team that isnt top 5? You all realize that Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and Anaheim are the best 5 teams in the league, right? Our last 20 games have been BRUTAL. Probably the most difficult strength of schedule for a 20 game stretch EVER. I expect our yound defensemen to struggle against the Crosbys, Malkins, Perrys, Getzlafs, Krssels, Kadris, Kanes, Toews, Bergerons, and Lucic's of the league. Every team struggles against them. Give Smith a chance. He's really good and plays with grit.


Pretty sure Smith will have to play well against top 5 teams for the Wings to be successful.

And....wait.....what? Toronto? Top 5 team?
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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:20 AM

Pretty sure Smith will have to play well against top 5 teams for the Wings to be successful.

And....wait.....what? Toronto? Top 5 team?


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