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#21 Opie

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:23 AM

I would like to know why the league can change this rule or the "don't take your helmet off" rule on the fly, but they cannot change the jersey tuck rule?

 

BTW I love Hybrid icing, saw it last year in college hockey, much safer approach, yet you still have a "race to the puck" so to speak!


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:42 AM

The only issue I have is shouldn't have been announced prior to preseason so they could have players could have gotten used to the change, I've only seen highlights of the games so if this was done then please ignore.

They did use the rule in the preseason, so no problem there. 

Officials are more of a concern but admittedly that was also the case with the old rule. In fact I see no valid point why this rule shouldn't be introduced. It makes the game safer while maintaining its style. Whish it would be so easy with the hitting-rules.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:03 AM

The only issue I have is shouldn't have been announced prior to preseason so they could have players could have gotten used to the change, I've only seen highlights of the games so if this was done then please ignore.

 

They tested it during preseason and the NHLPA voted whether to enact it for the regular season.  NHLPA voted to approve it, that's what this thread is about.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 11:54 AM

As is so often the case, the new rule will not be the problem. The problem will be having competent on-ice officials making the call correctly.

 

Yes, and not only that, any time the offensive player is trailing a race and playing at home, there's going to be a rain of boos from home crowds (well, if they even learn the rule) when the play blows dead.  What if it's like Mason Raymond trailing the play and Doug Murray is the defender with position?  How far away does Raymond have to be before you can be SURE that he wouldn't catch up and pass Murray?

 

I don't think there will be many ACTUAL problems or controversies caused by this type of rule.  Probably not even as bad as the stupid 2-minute minor for shooting the puck out of play with no pressure whatsoever on you.  But why does the league allow discretion on some things (hybrid icing, intent to blow, etc.), but not on a play where the puck hops up on edge and you're required to call a delay of game because of black letter law?

 

International/college icing is far safer than even hybrid icing and does nothing to harm the game.  It's also leaves virtually no room for interpretive error.



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:52 PM

I am trying to understand how exactly this works

 

If the race is close and the offensive team may beat the other player to the puck the play stays alive (correct?)

 

As far as I see it, this is the scenario where the injuries would happen most, not when the defending team is easily getting to the puck first...

 

I say either keep it touch icing or go straight to no touch icing...

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:04 PM

I like the idea of having less injuries "potentially".  However, as stated above by others, my main concern is the "discretion of the referee" part.  I think inevitably there will be mistakes made that will cost teams games or at the very least goals.

I do think this is a step in the right direction.  Hockey is often a rough game and I have no problem with that...I just don't care to see people getting hurt over an icing call.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:09 PM

I am trying to understand how exactly this works
 
If the race is close and the offensive team may beat the other player to the puck the play stays alive (correct?)
 
As far as I see it, this is the scenario where the injuries would happen most, not when the defending team is easily getting to the puck first...
 
I say either keep it touch icing or go straight to no touch icing...
 
 
 
 
 
 


Kinda. If a defender and an opponent are neck and neck it is supposed to be called as icing, the only way it's not icing is if the opposition has a step ahead of the defender

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:15 PM

This works great in the college ranks by the way. 


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:44 PM

Kinda. If a defender and an opponent are neck and neck it is supposed to be called as icing, the only way it's not icing is if the opposition has a step ahead of the defender

 

See, now I'm confused.  And it started with the goal the other night after that waived off icing where Kindl got there first.  I was under the impression that if the defender was ahead they would call it icing.  If they deemed it close enough, they wouldn't blow it down and the players would continue on as if it was normal icing.  Meaning icing is still called if the defender gets there first.  I now understand that it's either icing or not once the linesman makes his decision....no matter who touches it first.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:49 PM

Here's the rule from nhl.com

 

The hybrid-icing system allows the linesman to blow the play dead and call an automatic icing if he determines that the puck will cross the goal line and the defending player is not behind in the race to the end-zone faceoff dots in his defensive zone. The faceoff would go to the far end of the ice as it did with icings called in the previous system the NHL used.

If the attacking player is leading the race, the linesman is supposed to allow the play to continue.

In instances where the puck is shot around the end boards, travels down the ice and comes out the other end, the linesman has to determine who would have touched the puck first. If it's the defending player, he calls an automatic icing but if it's the attacking player he lets the play continue.

 



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:00 PM

 

Exhibit "A".

 

Maybe someone can clarify whether I'm missing something, because I seem to be in the minority that thinks that this rule won't actually change much (if anything).  When I look at this video, I see a tight race between two players as each player approaches the faceoff circle.  During the preseason, when the race was this close, the ref would wave off the automatic icing, and the two players would continue to race toward the puck, thus the risk of injury is still present.  I feel like the only thing that hybrid icing will change are the icings where there is no risk to begin with, because there is no race for the puck. 



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:13 PM

 

Maybe someone can clarify whether I'm missing something, because I seem to be in the minority that thinks that this rule won't actually change much (if anything).  When I look at this video, I see a tight race between two players as each player approaches the faceoff circle.  During the preseason, when the race was this close, the ref would wave off the automatic icing, and the two players would continue to race toward the puck, thus the risk of injury is still present.  I feel like the only thing that hybrid icing will change are the icings where there is no risk to begin with, because there is no race for the puck. 

 

In my head, what I think it may do to help though is prevent that race from being all about just touching the puck.  With normal icing guys were killing themselves just to get a stick on the puck, which I think contributes to risk, whereas now there won't ever be a touch icing meaning whether you are there first or not, you still have to consider making a play on the puck instead of just bolting to it and making contact.  It would make more sense for the guy not getting to the puck first to make a defensive play on the other player.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:14 PM

From NHL:

 

Here is the official wording of the new rule:

Rule 81.1 – Icing: For the purpose of this rule, the center red line will divide the ice into halves. Should any player of a team, equal or superior in numerical strength (power-play) to the opposing team, shoot, bat or deflect the puck from his own half of the ice beyond the goal line of the opposing team, play shall be stopped. For the purpose of deflected pucks, this only applies when the puck was originally propelled down the ice by the offending team.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:47 AM

 http://www.cbc.ca/pl.../ID/2409815964/

I knew I could count on Mr. Cherry to present valid points regarding this rule change.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:39 PM

I am trying to understand how exactly this works

 

If the race is close and the offensive team may beat the other player to the puck the play stays alive (correct?)

 

As far as I see it, this is the scenario where the injuries would happen most, not when the defending team is easily getting to the puck first...

 

I say either keep it touch icing or go straight to no touch icing...

 

 

 

 

Except that it's now just a race to an imaginary line between the defensive zone face-off dots.  If the offensive player wins the race, he does not have to touch the puck first.  It just becomes a routine dump in.  He can brace him self, hold off till the defender goes in, whatever he wants.  Theres no more poking their sticks in each others feet just to touch the puck first.  I didn't see any problem with it in the first game, I'm sure through out the year there's going to be some bad calls like any other thing in hockey including the original icing rule, but it's much safer this way.


Edited by nosyt612, 03 October 2013 - 01:59 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:00 PM

 http://www.cbc.ca/pl.../ID/2409815964/

I knew I could count on Mr. Cherry to present valid points regarding this rule change.

 

I don't think he understands the rule.  If icing is waved off no one is required to touch the puck first.  It's the same thing as a dump in.







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