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#1 rick zombo

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:56 PM

Basically, I think this article is pretty trashy, but it got me thinking.

 

http://www.rantsport...ngs-goaltender/

 

If the Wings could trade Howard for that coveted top defensemen and then sign Miller in July, how would everyone feel about it?

 

The only pro I could see in this scenario is that Miller, at 33, would be better suited in 3 years to back up Mrazek. With Howard, Mrazek is looking at 5-6 years minimum before he's a started. IF the kid even pans out.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:06 PM

To be honest - I'd rather keep Howard, and let guys like DeKeyser, and youngsters from GR get the ice time in the near future.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:19 PM

I'll keep Howard.  I really like Miller, and if I could have Howard/Miller, I'd let Mrazek walk (going with a known over an unknown there).  Of course, Howard/Miller just isn't going to happen.

 

I'm perfectly content having Howard/Mrazek as our future.  If Mrazek turns out to be a stable back-up, that's fine.  If we end up with a 1a-1b situation, that's even better.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:30 PM

Last week Ozzie mentioned how we fans will love Mrazek; apparently he's got both the tools to become a legit #1 netminder, and he's a character.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:34 PM

Basically, I think this article is pretty trashy, but it got me thinking.
 
http://www.rantsport...ngs-goaltender/
 
If the Wings could trade Howard for that coveted top defensemen and then sign Miller in July, how would everyone feel about it?
 
The only pro I could see in this scenario is that Miller, at 33, would be better suited in 3 years to back up Mrazek. With Howard, Mrazek is looking at 5-6 years minimum before he's a started. IF the kid even pans out.


I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:38 PM

I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie

Had a chuckle last night...DeKeyser chose to wear #65 since '5' is part of his number...So far the kid looks damn good :thumbup:



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:18 PM

I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie

I like our defense too, it was the biggest reason we made the playoffs last year. Trading Howard and then betting on signing Miller for the sake of a D-man who may or may not help the team isn't worthwhile. That said, who are considered #1 D-men in the league these days? They're so few that I can think of, and if a team has one they aren't going to just give him up. 



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:23 PM

I really like Howard, he has developed into a very sound goalie that will carry any team deep into the postseason. No trade for me.
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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:40 PM

Howard is a remarkably consistent goalie.  I'd say he and Miller are on the same plane (top 5 goalies), so it's a lateral move.  Might as well stick with the guy we got, although I like Miller and lot and wish he could have some degree of success somewhere.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:11 PM

Had a chuckle last night...DeKeyser chose to wear #65 since '5' is part of his number...So far the kid looks damn good :thumbup:


I know it always confuses me cause it looks like 55 from the right angles lol

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:17 PM

Howard.  He's consistent, gritty, and an oustanding goaltender.  I like Miller too but he has concussion history and evidently people like to run over him.

 

On a side note to a comment above, oddly enough Edzo had lots of good things to say about the Wings last night.  I was kind of in shock I didn't hear "subtle interference''.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:22 PM

Howard.  He's consistent, gritty, and an oustanding goaltender.  I like Miller too but he has concussion history and evidently people like to run over him.
 
On a side note to a comment above, oddly enough Edzo had lots of good things to say about the Wings last night.  I was kind of in shock I didn't hear "subtle interference''.


People like to run Howie a lot too.

I think part of it was that we weren't facing Pittsburgh or Chicago lol

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:08 PM

Howie without a doubt. Probably not true because of the team Miller's on but I feel Miller is on the decline.

 

IF Mrazek pans out then great. I rather have that problem further down the road and let management make the decision then....


Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 03 October 2013 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:45 PM

I'll be devil's advocate here.  

 

What team in hockey would trade a top defenseman for a goalie?  This is a goalie's league, with teams having great goalies coming out of the minors all the time.  A top defenseman, on the other hand, is hard to find.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:27 PM

I'll keep Howard.  I really like Miller, and if I could have Howard/Miller, I'd let Mrazek walk (going with a known over an unknown there).  Of course, Howard/Miller just isn't going to happen.

 

I'm perfectly content having Howard/Mrazek as our future.  If Mrazek turns out to be a stable back-up, that's fine.  If we end up with a 1a-1b situation, that's even better.

 

I believe that Petr will be our started in a few years.  They're not going to get rid of him.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:35 PM

I'll be devil's advocate here.  
 
What team in hockey would trade a top defenseman for a goalie?  This is a goalie's league, with teams having great goalies coming out of the minors all the time.  A top defenseman, on the other hand, is hard to find.


True. Although a team with a legit #1-#2 pair and no goaltending anywhere in sight might swing the deal. Trading from your strengths to address your weeknesses. Etc etc. But yeah, I get your point.
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Posted 03 October 2013 - 08:32 PM

No.

 

The Wings didn't sign Howard to a nice, long contract just to trade him.  They want him here long- term, and he SHOULD be here for most, if not all, of his contract.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mrazek backing him up next year and, gradually over the next 2-3 years, building up into a 50/50 split, then getting the bulk of the starts.  He and Howard already have a good relationship.

At 33, Miller's still a pretty good goalie, but his best days are behind him.  I'm sure Buffalo will explore trading him this season, and whoever gets him will probably want to lock him up for 2-3 years.  It won't be Detroit, though.



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 11:58 AM

Basically, I think this article is pretty trashy, but it got me thinking.

 

http://www.rantsport...ngs-goaltender/

 

If the Wings could trade Howard for that coveted top defensemen and then sign Miller in July, how would everyone feel about it?

 

The only pro I could see in this scenario is that Miller, at 33, would be better suited in 3 years to back up Mrazek. With Howard, Mrazek is looking at 5-6 years minimum before he's a started. IF the kid even pans out.

There's reason enough to keep Howard, a top 5 NHL goalie.  If Mrazek pans out, trade him for a top Dman and keep the sure thing in Howard.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 12:12 PM

"Getting Miller to Detroit would obviously mean departing with Howard and perhaps some draft choices..."

 

I think Buffalo would gladly take a Howard for Miller straight up trade.  Maybe I'm misinterpreting what they are saying, but if this truly is a lateral move, Buffalo would come out as winners based on age alone.  I think Howie is better and can't wait til we win a cup with him so I can shove it in all my friends' faces for saying the Wings will never win one with him



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 01:32 PM

I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie

 

That was Keith Jones, but he dislikes the Red Wings also; he played for the Avs during the rivalry era.


Edited by Crymson, 04 October 2013 - 01:34 PM.






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