rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 Basically, I think this article is pretty trashy, but it got me thinking. http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2013/10/03/ryan-miller-would-be-perfect-as-detroit-red-wings-goaltender/ If the Wings could trade Howard for that coveted top defensemen and then sign Miller in July, how would everyone feel about it? The only pro I could see in this scenario is that Miller, at 33, would be better suited in 3 years to back up Mrazek. With Howard, Mrazek is looking at 5-6 years minimum before he's a started. IF the kid even pans out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 I'll keep Howard. I really like Miller, and if I could have Howard/Miller, I'd let Mrazek walk (going with a known over an unknown there). Of course, Howard/Miller just isn't going to happen. I'm perfectly content having Howard/Mrazek as our future. If Mrazek turns out to be a stable back-up, that's fine. If we end up with a 1a-1b situation, that's even better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 Basically, I think this article is pretty trashy, but it got me thinking. http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2013/10/03/ryan-miller-would-be-perfect-as-detroit-red-wings-goaltender/ If the Wings could trade Howard for that coveted top defensemen and then sign Miller in July, how would everyone feel about it? The only pro I could see in this scenario is that Miller, at 33, would be better suited in 3 years to back up Mrazek. With Howard, Mrazek is looking at 5-6 years minimum before he's a started. IF the kid even pans out. I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie I like our defense too, it was the biggest reason we made the playoffs last year. Trading Howard and then betting on signing Miller for the sake of a D-man who may or may not help the team isn't worthwhile. That said, who are considered #1 D-men in the league these days? They're so few that I can think of, and if a team has one they aren't going to just give him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 I really like Howard, he has developed into a very sound goalie that will carry any team deep into the postseason. No trade for me. 1 sjr2012 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 Howard is a remarkably consistent goalie. I'd say he and Miller are on the same plane (top 5 goalies), so it's a lateral move. Might as well stick with the guy we got, although I like Miller and lot and wish he could have some degree of success somewhere. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 Had a chuckle last night...DeKeyser chose to wear #65 since '5' is part of his number...So far the kid looks damn good I know it always confuses me cause it looks like 55 from the right angles lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 Howard. He's consistent, gritty, and an oustanding goaltender. I like Miller too but he has concussion history and evidently people like to run over him. On a side note to a comment above, oddly enough Edzo had lots of good things to say about the Wings last night. I was kind of in shock I didn't hear "subtle interference''. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 Howard. He's consistent, gritty, and an oustanding goaltender. I like Miller too but he has concussion history and evidently people like to run over him. On a side note to a comment above, oddly enough Edzo had lots of good things to say about the Wings last night. I was kind of in shock I didn't hear "subtle interference''. People like to run Howie a lot too. I think part of it was that we weren't facing Pittsburgh or Chicago lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Howie without a doubt. Probably not true because of the team Miller's on but I feel Miller is on the decline. IF Mrazek pans out then great. I rather have that problem further down the road and let management make the decision then.... Edited October 4, 2013 by St. Michael (the Red Wing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,789 Report post Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I'll be devil's advocate here. What team in hockey would trade a top defenseman for a goalie? This is a goalie's league, with teams having great goalies coming out of the minors all the time. A top defenseman, on the other hand, is hard to find. Edited October 3, 2013 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 I'll keep Howard. I really like Miller, and if I could have Howard/Miller, I'd let Mrazek walk (going with a known over an unknown there). Of course, Howard/Miller just isn't going to happen. I'm perfectly content having Howard/Mrazek as our future. If Mrazek turns out to be a stable back-up, that's fine. If we end up with a 1a-1b situation, that's even better. I believe that Petr will be our started in a few years. They're not going to get rid of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 I'll be devil's advocate here. What team in hockey would trade a top defenseman for a goalie? This is a goalie's league, with teams having great goalies coming out of the minors all the time. A top defenseman, on the other hand, is hard to find. True. Although a team with a legit #1-#2 pair and no goaltending anywhere in sight might swing the deal. Trading from your strengths to address your weeknesses. Etc etc. But yeah, I get your point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshy207 156 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 No. The Wings didn't sign Howard to a nice, long contract just to trade him. They want him here long- term, and he SHOULD be here for most, if not all, of his contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mrazek backing him up next year and, gradually over the next 2-3 years, building up into a 50/50 split, then getting the bulk of the starts. He and Howard already have a good relationship. At 33, Miller's still a pretty good goalie, but his best days are behind him. I'm sure Buffalo will explore trading him this season, and whoever gets him will probably want to lock him up for 2-3 years. It won't be Detroit, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 Basically, I think this article is pretty trashy, but it got me thinking. http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2013/10/03/ryan-miller-would-be-perfect-as-detroit-red-wings-goaltender/ If the Wings could trade Howard for that coveted top defensemen and then sign Miller in July, how would everyone feel about it? The only pro I could see in this scenario is that Miller, at 33, would be better suited in 3 years to back up Mrazek. With Howard, Mrazek is looking at 5-6 years minimum before he's a started. IF the kid even pans out. There's reason enough to keep Howard, a top 5 NHL goalie. If Mrazek pans out, trade him for a top Dman and keep the sure thing in Howard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitchmac33 103 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 "Getting Miller to Detroit would obviously mean departing with Howard and perhaps some draft choices..." I think Buffalo would gladly take a Howard for Miller straight up trade. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what they are saying, but if this truly is a lateral move, Buffalo would come out as winners based on age alone. I think Howie is better and can't wait til we win a cup with him so I can shove it in all my friends' faces for saying the Wings will never win one with him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) I like our defense. Even Eddie O complemented them saying at least 25 other teams would love to have our defense, and that's coming from Eddie That was Keith Jones, but he dislikes the Red Wings also; he played for the Avs during the rivalry era. Edited October 4, 2013 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 Howard is a remarkably consistent goalie. I'd say he and Miller are on the same plane (top 5 goalies), so it's a lateral move. Might as well stick with the guy we got, although I like Miller and lot and wish he could have some degree of success somewhere. But if we're getting a high-end defenseman in return for Howard, and then trading maybe a decent roster player, a high-ish pick and a solid prospect for Miller, that might be more than lateral. My knee-jerk reaction is, of course, "No deal!" - but I'd want to know exactly what we'd be getting in return for Howard and exactly what we'd be giving up for Miller. Because, if I understand correctly, we're not talking about just a straight-up goalie swap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted October 4, 2013 "Getting Miller to Detroit would obviously mean departing with Howard and perhaps some draft choices..." I think Buffalo would gladly take a Howard for Miller straight up trade. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what they are saying, but if this truly is a lateral move, Buffalo would come out as winners based on age alone. I think Howie is better and can't wait til we win a cup with him so I can shove it in all my friends' faces for saying the Wings will never win one with him I recall the same being said about Ozzie... That was Keith Jones, but he dislikes the Red Wings also; he played for the Avs during the rivalry era. My bad I thought I may have been mistaken on who said it and figured someone would correct me if I was lol. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted October 5, 2013 In 2009, if you would have asked me to trade Howard for Miller straight up, I'd answer in the affirmative immediately. If you asked me now, I'd ask how much crack you'd been smoking. 1 sjr2012 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewdanna 143 Report post Posted October 5, 2013 Someone is going to give up some serious assets for Miller this year. He was dominant again today... but Buffalo ain't going nowhere, "where you going?, nowhere!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted October 5, 2013 Someone is going to give up some serious assets for Miller this year. He was dominant again today... but Buffalo ain't going nowhere, "where you going?, nowhere!" I was surprised that Buffalo or Calgary didn't try to make a pitch for him this offseason. (New Jersey being of course before they acquired Scneider). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjr2012 439 Report post Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) Jimmy is a great Goaltender sometimes underrated for sure he knows how to work well under pressure and has proved it for us for the last 5 seasons Miller is great really hard to not say you wouldn't want him based on the fact he is playing for the sabres but in the end Jimmy Edited October 5, 2013 by sjr2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted October 5, 2013 Stick with Howard...let all the UFA Forwards go after the season...fill in with some Griffins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitchmac33 103 Report post Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) I recall the same being said about Ozzie... Sorry, I just don't know what part you're talking about. Elaborate? Edited October 6, 2013 by Mitchmac33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites