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#41 Rivalred

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 10:17 PM

Hope he can lead a healthy and productive life off the ice
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#42 Jedi

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 10:22 PM

Gotta think that the league will start pushing to either hold the Flyers responsible for Pronger's cap hit, or punish them for deliberate circumvention of the cap.  If that were to happen, then I guarantee Holmgren will follow in Laviolette's footsteps...

 

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:14 AM

I really have mixed feelings over this.  On the one hand, his symptoms sound horrible.  On the other, I wonder if he's sat at home now thinking "I wish I never smashed Holmstrom's head into the glass.  I wish I never stomped on Kesler"?  The NHL is unquestionably a safer place for Pronger's retirement.  He was a great player, second only to Lidstrom in his generation.  He was also a dirty, cowardly, cheap shotting, spot picking bully who could and should have been called for cross-checking on every shift of his career.  A "tough guy" whose fight card is topped by Dan Cleary and Michael Handzus.

 

As for cap circumvention, its already cap circumvention even without the whole "retired by not retired".  The guy is signed till he's 43, how is that different to the original Kovy deal?


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:31 AM

I guess we all saw this coming. He will be missed by me, I always modeled my game off him. Here's to a symptom free eetirement
I guess we all saw this coming. He will be missed by me, I always modeled my game off him rather than lidstrom, even though nick is better :)Here's to a symptom free retirement
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:29 AM

Kind of surprised this is still up on YT.

 

Just think what he'd get today if he were playing...

 

Sorta ironic the guy is suffering residual effects from getting his brain bounced around in his skull.


I really have mixed feelings over this.  On the one hand, his symptoms sound horrible.  On the other, I wonder if he's sat at home now thinking "I wish I never smashed Holmstrom's head into the glass.  I wish I never stomped on Kesler"?  The NHL is unquestionably a safer place for Pronger's retirement.  He was a great player, second only to Lidstrom in his generation.  He was also a dirty, cowardly, cheap shotting, spot picking bully who could and should have been called for cross-checking on every shift of his career.  A "tough guy" whose fight card is topped by Dan Cleary and Michael Handzus.

 

As for cap circumvention, its already cap circumvention even without the whole "retired by not retired".  The guy is signed till he's 43, how is that different to the original Kovy deal?

When you read about what he's been going thru - you tend to feel sorry for him...Then you look at old videos of him at his 'finest' courtesy of YouTube, and suddenly that empathy dries up.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:38 AM

I still laugh at his signing with the Flyers.  He's 34.  He signs an extension for seven years.  He'll be 35 when it kicks in, so it has the 35+ rules, and the Flyers were, "Um... yeah... uh.... we knew that... did we know that?...and we're ok with it... um... we're really glad to have him and ... um... yeah....hooboy, nobody thought about that, did they?... we're sure he'll be an asset to the team well into his 40's... oh, crap.  I looked it up... they're right... we're on the hook for a 35+ deal... so we're proud and pleased to welcome Chris Pronger to Philadelphia!"


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:42 AM

Chris Pronger was a great defenseman that played the game about as mean as anyone ever has. He took nasty to a whole new level and that's why some fans hated him and he was boo'd in just about every rink in the league. Love him or hate him he did have a HOF career.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:20 AM

 

the 35 and above rule applies to Pronger's contract

The new CBA overrides the old CBA though.  Which is why Franzen would carry a cap hit if he retired early even though he is not even 35 yet.  So still, how did Jersey actually get away with Kovalchuk retiring?  I have a feeling that the league may have a case on their hands for Pronger's cap hit disappearing as he is physically not able to play at no fault of the Flyers.  It's sorta funny watching Holmgren completely ruin a hockey team, but at the same time, you gotta wonder if the league will step in and make a ruling on this case.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:36 AM

So long, sucker.  Don't let the door kick you in the ass on the way out.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:05 PM

The new CBA overrides the old CBA though.  Which is why Franzen would carry a cap hit if he retired early even though he is not even 35 yet.  So still, how did Jersey actually get away with Kovalchuk retiring?  I have a feeling that the league may have a case on their hands for Pronger's cap hit disappearing as he is physically not able to play at no fault of the Flyers.  It's sorta funny watching Holmgren completely ruin a hockey team, but at the same time, you gotta wonder if the league will step in and make a ruling on this case.

Well NJ techincally didn't as they have a $250k cap hit from Kovy until 2025. His big pay days started three years into his contact. The first two years paid him $6M per year while years 3 (12-13 NHL season) - 8 (2017-2018 NHL seaso) paid him the huge salary. Since the team didn't get the full benefit from the way his contract was setup they are not penalized as heavy.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:02 PM

Not surprised. 


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 04:46 AM

not surprised either. too bad, one hell of a defenseman who could easily played at high level until his 40th in this league.

 

yes, he was a SOB to play against but also a very intelligent player with huge skills and knowledge of the game. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:10 AM

I almost feel bad for him, until I realize that if it was someone else this happened to that he was the cause of, he wouldn't care, he would probably laugh and say good.
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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:59 AM

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Y4KBkhpU6sI

 

My all time favorite Pronger moment.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:05 AM

Then there was this.

 

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 11:53 AM

When you think of recent players who had that "old-time hockey" mindset, he should be on the list.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:39 PM

Brilliant player, who was the best D-man on every team he played on. Sadly, never learnt the difference between being a mean S-O-B and being a dirty, spot-picking, snide bully who was a cheap shot master. I'm sure if he had played for Bowman he would have learnt to be a better and less dirty player. But he was always playing on teams known to be indulgent towards dirty play....



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 11:35 PM

Hope he can lead a healthy and productive life off the ice

 

Hell, he didn't lead one ON the ice, what makes  you think he'd lead one off ice?


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:21 AM

 

Hell, he didn't lead one ON the ice, what makes  you think he'd lead one off ice?

 

18 NHL seasons. 698 points. A Stanley Cup, Hart and Norris trophy. Gold in the Worlds, Jrs and Olympics.

 

He led a very productive one on the ice.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:20 AM

Last I heard Philly won't be responsible for the cap hit because it is a legitimate injury... Now I don't know if they retire him or if he just rides the IR for 4 more years





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