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I had stated it in another topic but Weiss has admitted that he's not used to playing structured hockey especially one as structured as Babcock's. It relies heavily not only play with the puck but also thinking without the puck. When you go from playing free style basic hockey to a structured system that requires you to be thinking 24/7 you aren't thinking directly about scoring goals. You're making sure you're in the right spots and playing the system that others are counting on you playing. Once he gets more comfortable with the system you'll see how much of a player he really is.

I'll agree with the others that stated that his board play is much higher than Filps. He's a good ol Canadian boy. He will cut into the dirty hard spots in the middle and force his way into it. He'll go play hard in the corners and work for the puck. Sometime you wouldn't see from Filp all the time.

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Agreed.

Unlike Fil - Weiss looks comfortable along the boards, and going to the net...The best part is that Weiss also seems capable of shooting the puck...It's only several games in - the points will come when he, and his revolving door linemates settle down.

I hope he gets better too but let's be honest he hasn't been good on the boards mainly because he loses the Puck before he even gets there. it hasn't been a revolving door he has played with the same players since training camp except the For Abby.

It wasn't too long ago that a significant portion of this forum were talking about how washed up Alfie is, and then he rattled off a zillion points in about two minutes and everybody shut the f*ck up.

And then they switched over to Franzen...until last night.

Now Weiss...ugh.

Wasn't roasting the guy the whole point of the post was to find out if anybody has seen him play better, take a deep breath buddy.

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I hope he gets better too but let's be honest he hasn't been good on the boards mainly because he loses the Puck before he even gets there. it hasn't been a revolving door he has played with the same players since training camp except the For Abby.

Wasn't roasting the guy the whole point of the post was to find out if anybody has seen him play better, take a deep breath buddy.

Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I'd be able to discuss hockey calmly without your patronizing asides. Also, if you're going to claim you're not "roasting the guy" perhaps you shouldn't describe him as "slow", "terrified", and "more like Robert Lang than Filppula".

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Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I'd be able to discuss hockey calmly without your patronizing asides. Also, if you're going to claim you're not "roasting the guy" perhaps you shouldn't describe him as "slow", "terrified", and "more like Robert Lang than Filppula".

why don't you read the post again, I said that's the way he looks. whether he's better down the road remains to be seen. And also stating facts isn't roasting the guy, he hasn't looked good. Nobody is patronizing you I just generally recommend you calm down everybody was discussing hockey calmly and you come in with expletives. Edited by wings87

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I've been reasonably happy with Weiss so far. He's made some big plays, including the OT winner (garbage goal clean-up or not).

Comparing him to Filppula isn't really the most effective means of evaluating him as a player, but given that he is literally Flip's replacement and they got similar contracts, it's inevitable. Filppula would disappear for games on end. I think Weiss is a better goals-per-game scorer than Filppula, but if you're expecting him to blossom into a 30 G/40 A player simply because of a change of scenery, that's just completely ignorant of his decade-long track record.

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why don't you read the post again, I said that's the way he looks. whether he's better down the road remains to be seen. And also stating facts isn't roasting the guy, he hasn't looked good. Nobody is patronizing you I just generally recommend you calm down everybody was discussing hockey calmly and you come in with expletives.

I've got anger issues, everybody knows that. It's why I self-censor my own curse words on these threads. Yet, nothing will make me turn into the Hulk quicker than some reactionary fan claiming a guy on our team is "slow", "terrified", or like "Robert Lang" and then immediately backpedaling once called on it.

If you had only said that he hasn't looked as good as you'd like, we wouldn't be discussing this. You went above and beyond that when describing him the way you did. To use your words, you "roasted him". And now you're trying to worm your way out from under it.

It's nothing personal, or unique. You're just another in a long line of posters on these forums who makes up ridiculous b.s. to get under people's skins and then backpedals when called on it in order to be argumentative. It's actually pretty stale by now, but foolishly I still can't help involving myself.

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I've got anger issues, everybody knows that. It's why I self-censor my own curse words on these threads. Yet, nothing will make me turn into the Hulk quicker than some reactionary fan claiming a guy on our team is "slow", "terrified", or like "Robert Lang" and then immediately backpedaling once called on it.

If you had only said that he hasn't looked as good as you'd like, we wouldn't be discussing this. You went above and beyond that when describing him the way you did. To use your words, you "roasted him". And now you're trying to worm your way out from under it.

It's nothing personal, or unique. You're just another in a long line of posters on these forums who makes up ridiculous b.s. to get under people's skins and then backpedals when called on it in order to be argumentative. It's actually pretty stale by now, but foolishly I still can't help involving myself.

He didn't say anything that wasn't true. Weiss has looked overall pretty bad this season. He has been slow, he has looked terrified. You denying all of that then insulting him because he said it is much worse than anything he said in his post.

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Why you're not one of us 'knuckle draggers' who love a good scrap is beyond me ;)

I don't like to see boxers play hockey and I don't like to see hockey players box. I have nothing against violence in principle, or in sport, I just don't see what's to be gained from doing it in hockey.

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I've got anger issues, everybody knows that. It's why I self-censor my own curse words on these threads. Yet, nothing will make me turn into the Hulk quicker than some reactionary fan claiming a guy on our team is "slow", "terrified", or like "Robert Lang" and then immediately backpedaling once called on it.

If you had only said that he hasn't looked as good as you'd like, we wouldn't be discussing this. You went above and beyond that when describing him the way you did. To use your words, you "roasted him". And now you're trying to worm your way out from under it.

It's nothing personal, or unique. You're just another in a long line of posters on these forums who makes up ridiculous b.s. to get under people's skins and then backpedals when called on it in order to be argumentative. It's actually pretty stale by now, but foolishly I still can't help involving myself.

Back peddling? I've said he looks terrible and I stand by it. If you think he has been great you are as delusional as your post suggests. I also said that I never got a chance to watch him in Florida and asked if I should expect him to be better, and you blew it completely out of proportion. Ridiculous bs? Seriously? The guy hasn't stayed on the boards for more then a few second at a time in eight games. It seems the the only one that I have gotten under the skin of is you, which should tell you something. Maybe it's cause you declared yourself god of letsgowings forum and have a problem with anyone who doesn't share in your opinion. Anyway this post has gone completely off the rails which was not my intention or frankly my doing.

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It's called entertainment.

Quite so, and like all forms of entertainment, it's not for everyone.

I personally like it and consider it an integral part of the game and a valid strategy. Others don't like it and consider it a distraction.

Entertainment has changed over the years. In ancient Egypt they wrote on walls; now we have Facebook. In ancient Rome they watched lions devour people; in Michigan we just hope they don't choke.

Some say fighting is on its way out, but I hope I'm dead and gone by then.

So.... back to topic.....

I don't watch a lot of Panthers hockey. Not even the dual allure of Kopecky and Samuelsson could make me do that.

I'm hoping that he'll adjust to our style, but as long as he's working hard, which seems to be the case, he should get it.

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So.... back to topic.....

I don't watch a lot of Panthers hockey. Not even the dual allure of Kopecky and Samuelsson could make me do that.

I'm hoping that he'll adjust to our style, but as long as he's working hard, which seems to be the case, he should get it.

This is the type of answer I was looking for when topic was started. And to the posters that answered my question I appreciate it.

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Sorry for being a broken record, but how are people saying that Flip wasn't good on the boards? Not only was he always battling for the puck when it was on the boards, but he often won it.

He didn't seem to have that tenacity when being in a physical battle along the boards or really anywhere.

I think the biggest criticism against him is he plays far to much on the perimeter and shies away from physical exchanges.

Don't get me wrong, he's great at fetching and digging for the puck but once it starts to get physical he's not nearly as effective.

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Sorry for being a broken record, but how are people saying that Flip wasn't good on the boards? Not only was he always battling for the puck when it was on the boards, but he often won it.

You're not being a broken record I liked Fil too I just thought it was time for a change.

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This guy just doesn't bring it.. I don't think he will be any better at 40 games let alone playoffs. He's just too too soft for my liking... And he doesn't have any other skill that stands out, no hands, speed, forechecking etc... What's he good for??? Flip was better for me.

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This guy just doesn't bring it.. I don't think he will be any better at 40 games let alone playoffs. He's just too too soft for my liking... And he doesn't have any other skill that stands out, no hands, speed, forechecking etc... What's he good for??? Flip was better for me.

You're going on eight games. I and others have already brought up the adjustment angle - a decade in a completely different system, completely different team and organization and all that stuff. But, again, he was very good as a Panther. How many Panthers games have you caught over the past ten years or so? Because I've seen my fair share (I like them. Not exactly a fan, but I do like them. If that makes any sense), and I feel totally justified in saying Weiss was a great add. He just needs time. Almost any guy in his situation would.

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What does it matter how physical it is if he ends up with the puck, which he usually does?

Like I said he was known as a perimeter guy once he got the puck. Didn't have much ability to be physical and take it to the net. Weiss does. Give him time.

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