stephen weiss

[RedWang 422]

In 15 games:

Filppula 5G 6A 11pts

Weiss 2G 0A 2 pts

Ouch.

Edited November 3, 2013 by RedWang

[Guest Crymson]

As if to rub it in, Flip lobbed a harmless backhander towards the goalie tonight that somehow trickled in for his 5th goal of the year.

Yep, and his assist tonight was another easy pass to a wide-open defenseman at the point; the latter took a shot that was tipped in for the goal.

[kipwinger 8,520]

You guys have made this thread all about whether Weiss is a more skilled player than Filppula, which I think misses the point. The real concern is whether or not Weiss can be a better player, FOR US, than Filppula was. And in spite of his struggles, I'm not sure that he won't be. He's looking better, and so far this season it's not like anybody else on our team has set the world on fire...to include D and Z. Who cares what Filppula's totals are, we've seen what our teams looks like with him (for several years now) and it didn't win. Time to try something new.

[Guest Playmaker]

We didn't win? I could have swore we won the Cup in 2008 and wasn't it Flip's goal that sealed it? I guess we're not winning with Datsyuk or Zetterberg, so we should get rid of them, too. But I digress. In any case, I have just the opposite feeling. When we're watching games and saying, hey well, Weiss didn't suck tonight, that's not really a good sign. He does not look more skilled to me than Filppula, he doesn't look better defensively than Filppula and he doesn't look to be a better playmaker than Filppula, nor does he bring any more of a physical game than Filppula did. Does Filppula seem to have not played up to his full potential at times? Absolutely. But to act like he was the sole reason we haven't won the Cup in the last 5 years is a bit of a stretch. Do I think he was worth 5/25? Probably not, but I'm cringing at the thought of what Weiss will be like at the end of his 5 years.

Yep, and his assist tonight was another easy pass to a wide-open defenseman at the point; the latter took a shot that was tipped in for the goal.

So why don't you analyze all the assists that Weiss has? Oh wait a minute. If assists are so easy to get, why doesn't Weiss have any? I guess that assist that Zetterberg got was just an easy pass out front to a wide open Bertuzzi.

[Guest Crymson]

So why don't you analyze all the assists that Weiss has? Oh wait a minute. If assists are so easy to get, why doesn't Weiss have any? I guess that assist that Zetterberg got was just an easy pass out front to a wide open Bertuzzi.

Zetterberg's pass went through the crease and between the goalie and a defenseman with perfect accuracy. Try again.

We didn't win? I could have swore we won the Cup in 2008 and wasn't it Flip's goal that sealed it?

No. It wasn't. He scored the first goal of that game. Zetterberg had the game-winning goal.

[VM1138 1,921]

Flip never had consistency. Just like its too soon to judge Weiss, it's too soon to give Filppula the Art Ross trophy. He's playing in an easier conference now, too, remember. Hence why his performance is thus far better than previously. Let's see where he is later in the season.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

Zetterberg's pass went through the crease and between the goalie and a defenseman with perfect accuracy. Try again.

No. It wasn't. He scored the first goal of that game. Zetterberg had the game-winning goal.

If I remember correctly it was rafalski that scored the first then fil made it a 2 goal game. Malkin scored on a power play at the end of the third and then Z made it 3-1 and the pens scored a late one

[wings87 1,290]

In 15 games:

Filppula 5G 6A 11pts

Weiss 2G 0A 2 pts

Ouch.

Not just looking at the points it's the softness with which Weiss has played, but the last three he has looked completely different. I think he is getting close to breaking out.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

Not just looking at the points it's the softness with which Weiss has played, but the last three he has looked completely different. I think he is getting close to breaking out.

I missed the game last night. Did Weiss have any good chances or set up any?

[txhoo12 5]

I missed the game last night. Did Weiss have any good chances or set up any?

Weiss was out there (and would have gotten secondary assists) for a couple well set up shots by our defense in the third per, pretty sure they were lashoff and smith. As usual, he has been dominant on faceoffs winning ~65%

[Nyquistfan14 489]

Weiss was out there (and would have gotten secondary assists) for a couple well set up shots by our defense in the third per, pretty sure they were lashoff and smith. As usual, he has been dominant on faceoffs winning ~65%

Ya I just seen a little and remembered him making a nice seem pass to I believe cleary or Tatar in the third period on the pp. I really hope Weiss breaks out. If we can get him and mule going along with bring nyquist up then wow this offense could be lethal

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

The points are going to come. He's great on draws, competes hard every shift, and has great vision. Enough with the Fil debate, he's not here anymore and is never coming back. Water under the bridge.

[matthewdanna 143]

It will be impossible to judge Weiss correctly from an offensive standpoint as long as Cleary is on his line.

[T.Low 1,011]

He's probably not quite as skilled as Filp, but that's not the point. Filp has mad skills, he just wasn't leading a second line and producing. Weiss has the potential to be more effective than we saw from Fil.

Weiss is going to play somewhat timid in a new system for a while , especially after being off for so long. I think that second line will start clicking after Christmas or All-Star break, when we need them to.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

He's probably not quite as skilled as Filp, but that's not the point. Filp has mad skills, he just wasn't leading a second line and producing. Weiss has the potential to be more effective than we saw from Fil.

Weiss is going to play somewhat timid in a new system for a while , especially after being off for so long. I think that second line will start clicking after Christmas or All-Star break, when we need them to.

Well it all depends who's playing on that second line

[Z and D for the C 712]

As if to rub it in, Flip lobbed a harmless backhander towards the goalie tonight that somehow trickled in for his 5th goal of the year.

"Flip sucks because he never takes the puck to the net!!!!!"

*Flip scores a goal taking sending the puck to the net*

"Pft that goal should have never gone in. Flip sucks"

Had I attributed Weiss's poor play to his injury, then you would have a point.

That is literally exactly what you did. After quote Weiss's statements on his poor play you said that it was his first game in 7 months and that recovery takes time. You explicitly implied that he was performing poorly, at least in part due to his injury. What else is that supposed to mean?

Also, trying to use fancy, lawyer-y sounding words and phrases make you neither intelligent nor correct.

It will be impossible to judge Weiss correctly from an offensive standpoint as long as Cleary is on his line.

Don't get your hopes up, that never stopped those judgements for Filppula. But people hate Flip around here for no reason so just maybe.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Z and D for the C

[Z and D for the C 712]

Yep, and his assist tonight was another easy pass to a wide-open defenseman at the point; the latter took a shot that was tipped in for the goal.

So why isn't Weiss getting easy points to wide-open defensemen at the point or getting goals that he doesn't deserve from harmless backhanders or goals on bad goaltenders that shouldn't have gone in?

The fact is a good play is a good play. He made a good recovery to keep the puck away from the opposition and in the zone and made a good pass to the point which resulted in a goal. People always cried about Filppula's lack of production and now that he is producing, he still gets no credit. This is like the Fox News of Filppula. Just because fox news is so far to the right doesn't make all other news liberal. Just because everyone here hates Filppula and gives him no credit doesn't make me biased because I give him the credit he deserves.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Z and D for the C

[Guest Crymson]

That is literally exactly what you did. After quote Weiss's statements on his poor play you said that it was his first game in 7 months and that recovery takes time. You explicitly implied that he was performing poorly, at least in part due to his injury. What else is that supposed to mean?

Following is the statement in question:

It's also worth nothing that the season opener was his first game in seven months. Full recovery takes time.

It does not take a stroke of genius to realize that when I preface such a line with "Weiss hasn't played a game in seven months," I don't mean that Weiss is still injured, but rather that returning to full game shape after seven months away takes time. Had I said something along the lines of "Weiss hasn't had enough time to recover," then you might have a point. As things stand, you do not. Again.

Also, trying to use fancy, lawyer-y sounding words and phrases make you neither intelligent nor correct.

I'm neither a lawyer nor a purple proser. The words I use inhabit my vocabulary.

Don't get your hopes up, that never stopped those judgements for Filppula. But people hate Flip around here for no reason so just maybe.

Yikes! Why are you getting so angry and combative over criticism of Filppula?

So why isn't Weiss getting easy points to wide-open defensemen at the point or getting goals that he doesn't deserve from harmless backhanders or goals on bad goaltenders that shouldn't have gone in?

The fact is a good play is a good play. He made a good recovery to keep the puck away from the opposition and in the zone and made a good pass to the point which resulted in a goal. People always cried about Filppula's lack of production and now that he is producing, he still gets no credit. This is like the Fox News of Filppula. Just because fox news is so far to the right doesn't make all other news liberal. Just because everyone here hates Filppula and gives him no credit doesn't make me biased because I give him the credit he deserves.

Filppula is presently playing quite a bit better than Weiss is. However, he is not the point-producing machine you make him out to be---numbers don't always tell the whole story---and Weiss is not the total loss you so ardently try to make him out to be. He's a month into his five-year contract. The same is true of Filppula. Time will tell who was the better choice.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Crymson

[Z and D for the C 712]

It does not take a stroke of genius to realize that when I preface such a line with "Weiss hasn't played a game in seven months," I don't mean that Weiss is still injured, but rather that returning to full game shape after seven months away takes time. Had I said something along the lines of "Weiss hasn't had enough time to recover," then you might have a point. As things stand, you do not. Again.

I'm neither a lawyer nor a purple proser. The words I use inhabit my vocabulary.

Recovery does not mean "get into game shape". No one has ever used it in that way. Ever. For someone with such a verbose, vociferous vocabulary, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't use the word "recover" in such an incorrect context. Saying that recovery takes time is completely, explicitly and entirely obviously implying that "Weiss hasn't had enough time to recover". Apparently, though, this does take a smart person to understand. You're not understanding.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Filppula regressed last season, and Weiss was a bad signing.

Don't see how it matters which guy is better than the other. The Wings clearly need a legitimate second line center again next year, if Weiss continues to suck.

[RedWang 422]

If I'm wrong i'll eat all the crow you give me but I dont see Weiss being the impact 2nd line center we thought he'd be. But thats just me. Honestly hoping im wrong.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Don't see how it matters which guy is better than the other.

I'm still just angry about losing Lilja.

Weiss is not the total loss you so ardently try to make him out to be.

I'm not ruling out Weiss. I haven't been able to watch that many Wings games this season (school/no cable at my house), but from what I've seen he generally looks good. I don't doubt the points will come. My only argument is that he will never do better than Filppula - not because Filppula is way better, but because he will succumb to the same problems Filppula had: linemates who are either lazy or can't make plays. Filppula current production is what I've always expected out of him and he is doing it because he is actually playing with decent linemates.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Z and D for the C

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

Zetterberg's pass went through the crease and between the goalie and a defenseman with perfect accuracy. Try again.

No. It wasn't. He scored the first goal of that game. Zetterberg had the game-winning goal.

Fil actually scored the goal to put the Wings up 2-1. Z scored to put them up 3-1 before they scored that late one. Fil's goal was for all intense and purpose, the winner.

Fil was highly under appreciated on here. One of the better playoff performers for us as well. But thats not surprising, this is the same fan base and website that was rdy to give up on Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard at times, now it's Smith....

Whos' next?

EDIT: Almost forgot Rafalski

Edited November 4, 2013 by 10 Minute Misconduct

[Guest Crymson]

Recovery does not mean "get into game shape". No one has ever used it in that way. Ever. For someone with such a verbose, vociferous vocabulary, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't use the word "recover" in such an incorrect context. Saying that recovery takes time is completely, explicitly and entirely obviously implying that "Weiss hasn't had enough time to recover". Apparently, though, this does take a smart person to understand. You're not understanding.

"Weiss hasn't played a game in seven months" and "Weiss needs more time to recover" do not fit together. In any case, you were incorrect; I'm telling you so as the world's premiere authority on what my statements mean.

That said, I'm glad I've inspired you to expand your own vocabulary!

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Fil actually scored the goal to put the Wings up 2-1. Z scored to put them up 3-1 before they scored that late one. Fil's goal was for all intense and purpose, the winner.

Fil was highly under appreciated on here. One of the better playoff performers for us as well. But thats not surprising, this is the same fan base and website that was rdy to give up on Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard at times, now it's Smith....

Whos' next?

EDIT: Almost forgot Rafalski

You forgot kindl. But filppula didn't seem to want to be here, and after his breakout season he regressed. People would have been rather angry if we gave home 5 years 5 per and would have compared it to the franzen signing, and probably would have said we could have had hossa but we have filppula instead