haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 7, 2013 The Cleary discussion has wandered well off track of anything remotely related to the thread topic. This thread is about Stephen Weiss. If anyone would like to continue their Cleary obsession, start a thread where you can discuss it there. As for the topic, I think Holland's signings in 2012 were awful, but it's waaaay too early to make any determination about Weiss. He's on a new team and hardly played last season due to injury. I'll give him more than 16 games to figure it out. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 Ansar Khan just reported Weiss is injured and won't play tomorrow. No specifics given. Brutal luck, just when Weiss was starting to find a groove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mjtm77 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 Ansar Khan just reported Weiss is injured and won't play tomorrow. No specifics given. Brutal luck, just when Weiss was starting to find a groove. Nice, just as he was looking good out there. With our luck I bet he's out a while... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 its almost 20 games in and he hasnt looked so good thus far , don't get all pissed off at the fans who believed it was a bad signing hen it happened Why did you think he was a bad signing at the time? I think I can guess based on your user name, but I'd like to hear what your reasons are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) Nice, just as he was looking good out there. With our luck I bet he's out a while... If that is the case, then Ken Holland will have no choice but to call up Nyqust so really this could be a blessing in disguise for us... Aflie has played center before so for the time being, he could again. Z-Pavs-Bert Nyquist-Alfie-Tatar Cleary-Anderson-Franzen (if he is better) or Abby Eaves-Helm- Miller Edited November 8, 2013 by wings_fanatic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mjtm77 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 If that is the case, then Ken Holland will have no choice but to call up Nyqust so really this could be a blessing in disguise for us... Aflie has played center before so for the time being, he could again. Z-Pavs-Bert Nyquist-Alfie-Tatar Cleary-Anderson-Franzen (if he is better) or Abby Eaves-Helm- Miller Knowing the redwings we wont see Nyquist. in the short term our offence looks horrible. Helm the 2nd line center? if so oh no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 Knowing the redwings we wont see Nyquist. in the short term our offence looks horrible. Helm the 2nd line center? if so oh no More likely we see D and Z broken up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted November 9, 2013 More likely we see D and Z broken up. Followed by a Tampa shutout. Yay! Honestly, I think the last thing that should be done is to break up Z and Dats cause with them together, we at least have 1 line producing. I wish Babcock would have just used Alfredsson-Helm-Tatar as our 2nd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 9, 2013 I wonder if he'll conveniently end up on LTIR around the time Ericsson returns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted November 9, 2013 Babcock's comments “Someone else is going to learn how to play in the second hole and play well.” Does this statement apply to current situation without Weiss healthy or is he thinking long term? I think the centre isn't the issue on that line. We all agree that Cleary and Franzen have not been contributing and Weiss can't be blamed fully. Not to mention Alfie is really only dominating on the PP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted November 9, 2013 If it's long term, it sums up the failed aspect of recent Red Wing philosophy. Take Player X, force him into a spot in the hopes he transforms into player Y. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted November 9, 2013 I can't shake this feeling that Nyquist and Weiss would light it up together. Nyquist back checks and plays D and also does a good job setting guys up too - takes some pressure of Weiss defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted November 9, 2013 I can't shake this feeling that Nyquist and Weiss would light it up together. Nyquist back checks and plays D and also does a good job setting guys up too - takes some pressure of Weiss defensively. Nyquist also has the potential to finish his set ups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 Is Weiss still hurt? I thought it was a one game thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 Is Weiss still hurt? I thought it was a one game thing? Yes, out till next week. (Hopefully) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 Nyquist also has the potential to finish his set ups. Nyquist is also ridiculously quick and speedy. We basically don't have a second line, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 Nyquist is also ridiculously quick and speedy. We basically don't have a second line, period. Helm is nyquist without the offensive potential Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 Helm is nyquist without the offensive potential And Helm is much more physical, gritty. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 And Helm is much more physical, gritty. Also, Nyquist isn't close to as fast as Helm. Even if you strapped a jet pack on his back, a la Wile E. Coyote, he'd still not touch Helm's speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 We basically don't have a second line, period.Or a third or fourth line for that matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 Helm is nyquist without the offensive potential And Helm is much more physical, gritty. Also, Nyquist isn't close to as fast as Helm. Even if you strapped a jet pack on his back, a la Wile E. Coyote, he'd still not touch Helm's speed. So in other words..they're completely different. lol 2 jimmyemeryhunter and kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted November 12, 2013 So in other words..they're completely different. lol I was referring more to the fact that they are both very fast, hard working, determined, and have enough soul to go around the whole bench. Helm is grittier and faster, Nyquist is more skilled with the puck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted November 13, 2013 I was referring more to the fact that they are both very fast, hard working, determined, and have enough soul to go around the whole bench. Helm is grittier and faster, Nyquist is more skilled with the puck. I don't consider Nyquist a "fast" player like that of Helm, Mackinnon, Grabner. He doesn't have close to that top end speed. What he does have is great "quickness" which is more attributed to great acceleration and quick feet. Agreed that they do share the other characteristics you mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukToZetterberg 128 Report post Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Just saw that it's a 10-day injury for Weiss, at least. I got that from ESPN and that update was from the 8th, so take that with a grain of salt. Now we have even less of a second line. Wonderful. Edited November 13, 2013 by DatsyukToZetterberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadian wings fan 305 Report post Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) lol wow our defence gets completely screwed when a 3vs2 against.. sorry meant for the GDT.. Edited November 13, 2013 by canadian wings fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
