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#121 Euro_Twins

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:59 PM

Let me clarify, filppula being able to play a two way game was what Tampa wanted, they didn't want him to change his style. Detroit expects Weiss to back check and it just run and gun, I'm sorry if you think I'm "retarded" by seeing the obvious difference here. Who knows if Weiss will pan out but calling someone retarded for mentioning a simple fact is beyond ridiculous and is completely unnecessary
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Posted 26 October 2013 - 11:01 PM

The part  wonder about is why do we have to play Z and Dat on the same line. For several years we have been looking for a second line C. To date, no luck. We have to great C's. Let them play. if Weiss is able to turn things around we could have 3. Going 3 or 4 deep with Dat, Z, Weiss, and Helm would be an awesome C lineup. How about some wingers to go with them?



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:49 AM

I was so happy with Wiess after the first period vs Rangers, but by the end of the night he once again disappointed as did the rest of the team.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:11 AM

I think if you're arguing that Filppula doesn't need time to adjust and Weiss does it simply boils down to Filppula being the better player.


Arguing adjustment to either team is dumb. We have no idea why one is producing right now and the other is not. There are a million different reasons why Fil is doing great and there are a million different reasons why Weiss has had no luck. But we don't kno those reasons. Weiss could get hot and Fil could go cold tmrw and we wouldn't know why. What we do know is both are very talented players and we can probably expect both to finish the season with similar numbers. I personally like Weiss better, Fil wasn't having success here and we needed to try something new. Weiss has experience as a top line center and captain, I'm sure he'll pull around if LGW can retain some level of patience

#125 Z and D for the C

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:20 AM

fil couldnt center his own line


Tell that to Tampa who has Filppula with 9 points in 10 games centering his own line.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:21 AM

Surprised no one is calling dropping Hudler dumb considering his production right now (unless I missed it)

We all kno both Huds and Fil will slow down, and guys like Weiss will probably speed up, everyone needs to chill

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:33 AM

Tell that to Tampa who has Filppula with 9 points in 10 games centering his own line.


Dude for the last time you can't base a player on 10 games. Mike Smith has more goals than Claude Giroux right now. Is Smith a better goal scorer than Giroux? Heck no. All of you are jumping the gun by a lot right now.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:48 AM

Let me clarify, filppula being able to play a two way game was what Tampa wanted, they didn't want him to change his style. Detroit expects Weiss to back check and it just run and gun, I'm sorry if you think I'm "retarded" by seeing the obvious difference here. Who knows if Weiss will pan out but calling someone retarded for mentioning a simple fact is beyond ridiculous and is completely unnecessary

Florida didn't play a run and gun style and neither did Weiss.  Part of his appeal was supposed to be that he was responsible defensively, had "leadership skills", and could provide an offensive spark as a solid second line center that Filppula supposedly couldn't.  Weiss has not been expected to change his game at all.  Instead of making excuses, why not just say he's struggling, and leave it at that?



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 10:30 AM

Let me clarify, filppula being able to play a two way game was what Tampa wanted, they didn't want him to change his style. Detroit expects Weiss to back check and it just run and gun, I'm sorry if you think I'm "retarded" by seeing the obvious difference here. Who knows if Weiss will pan out but calling someone retarded for mentioning a simple fact is beyond ridiculous and is completely unnecessary

Weiss was never expected to back check in Florida? They just said, "hey man, don't worry about that defense stuff we just want you to focus on offense." I just don't understand these imaginary points you try to make. Why are you even trying still? Also, what are you even trying to say? Now that he is in Detroit he is lost temporarily because he is now expected to play two way hockey? Even if that was true, which it is not...... You would be simply telling me that Filppula is the better hockey player.

Oh and your right about Filppula, Tampa Bay just changes to Detroit's systems when Filppula is on the ice. Hey Fil, just do what Babcock told you to do in the neutral zone, defensive zone, and offensive zone.. Oh and can you teach your line mates that stuff too? Thanks Fil we just want you to be extra comfortable here in Tampa unlike Weiss being forced to play two way hockey back in Detroit.

Whats Tampa even doing now that they don't run the 1-3-1, haven't watched them play this year.

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#130 Z and D for the C

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:49 PM

Dude for the last time you can't base a player on 10 games.


I'm basing it on his entire career. Also, I believe we won the Stanley Cup with Filppula centering the second line and went to game seven of the finals with Fil centering the second line.

When Fil had his 66 point season it wasn't because he wasn't playing center, it was because he was playing with linemates who aren't lazy and who can make plays. Correlation =/= Causation.

Edited by Z and D for the C, 27 October 2013 - 02:51 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:53 PM

Do you Filppula fans really think that he would be doing any better than Weiss had he stayed? This whole struggle is team-wide.
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:07 PM

Do you Filppula fans really think that he would be doing any better than Weiss had he stayed? This whole struggle is team-wide.


Yes, he would be doing better. Maybe not as good as he is doing in Tampa right now, because as I've said all along, the problem with the second line has never been Filppula, but the wingers. As right now the problem is like not Weiss (though he is performing particularly poorly), it is the wingers. We're a really strong team with center, but have few good wingers.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:26 PM

Yes, he would be doing better. Maybe not as good as he is doing in Tampa right now, because as I've said all along, the problem with the second line has never been Filppula, but the wingers. As right now the problem is like not Weiss (though he is performing particularly poorly), it is the wingers. We're a really strong team with center, but have few good wingers.

 

Of course he would be doing better.... :rolleyes:


Do you Filppula fans really think that he would be doing any better than Weiss had he stayed? This whole struggle is team-wide.

 

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:17 PM

Do you Filppula fans really think that he would be doing any better than Weiss had he stayed? This whole struggle is team-wide.

 

What this team needs is a leader. A leader like Valtteri Filppula. We'd have the 2013-14 Cup by now if Flip were still with us. But now we'll never win anything because Weiss is with us.

 

*runs his fingers through his hair, pretending it's Flip's hair* :wub:


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:46 PM

This team sucks. I've seen better Red Wings Teams in the past. Are Coach is lucky the management likes him or he'd have been fired by now. The team isn't playing for him. They need a change soon. or make a couple of Trades. They need to make changes in this new NHL or there 22 straight Playoffs are over this year if they don't do something now to fix this. 



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:51 PM

 

What this team needs is a leader. A leader like Valtteri Filppula. We'd have the 2013-14 Cup by now if Flip were still with us. But now we'll never win anything because Weiss is with us.

 

*runs his fingers through his hair, pretending it's Flip's hair* :wub:

Clearly, Filppula was the worst player ever to don the Winged Wheel.  Never scored a single goal. Never had a single assist. Never played defense.  Always floated.  He stood there at the blue line and never moved.  Every game we lost was his fault.  Obviously all we had to do was get rid of him and our troubles would be  over.  No one with an ounce of hockey intelligence would sign a slacker like him with no offensive, defensive or hockey skills at all. 

 

Thankfully, the Messiah, Stephen Weiss has come to save us.  Luckily he's so highly skilled, it should only take him half the season to learn that foreign hockey concept, back checking.  Fortunately the Wings don't need scoring, as evidenced by the presence of Weiss, Cleary, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, etc.  The league has decided just to award the Wings points for our heart, grit and character.  Warrior points. 



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:53 PM

My question is what is Babcock's system? This year I haven't seen any semblance of an organized attack, especially on the PP. Babcock has been here for a lot of years and the players still have no clue what to do .

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:01 PM

My question is what is Babcock's system? This year I haven't seen any semblance of an organized attack, especially on the PP. Babcock has been here for a lot of years and the players still have no clue what to do .

used to be puck possession but atm I'am not sure whatever it is ... it doesn't work.

I feel a bit sorry for Weiss but if him and the DetroitRedWings are a missmatch Kenny needs to trade him at the tdl and admit his mistake. I. hope it doesn't come to that point but you need to be prepared.

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#139 Z and D for the C

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:03 PM

What this team needs is a leader. A leader like Valtteri Filppula. We'd have the 2013-14 Cup by now if Flip were still with us. But now we'll never win anything because Weiss is with us.
 
*runs his fingers through his hair, pretending it's Flip's hair* :wub:


If you asked me, I'd say that people resorted to idiotic hyperbole when they either don't have an argument, or aren't smart enough to make one.

Which one are you?

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#140 Z and D for the C

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:09 PM

Of course he would be doing better.... :rolleyes:


You must agree that Filppula would be doing better, because you're only argument here is that Weiss is doing so poorly because he's on a new team. But Filppula, if he was in Weiss's spot, isn't new to the Red Wings, so he would be doing better. I'm using your logic here. What little I can scrape together, that is.

Edited by Z and D for the C, 27 October 2013 - 07:09 PM.

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