Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Our offense has always started with our blue line. That hasn't really been happening ever since we lost Rafalski and Lidstrom. Right now it's barely happening at all, and I believe that has everything to do with our crappy output. Who on our blue line is really capable of running the offense, consistently making that excellent first pass, moving the puck like a true pro? We have Kronwall and...Smith? Kindl? Ericsson has been good for us, and so has DeKeyser - but they're defensive defensemen, as is Lashoff. (Not sure what Quincey is. And yes, I mean that in a mean way.) A guy like Subban (i.e. a gifted offensive defenseman) would do wonders for our offense, IMHO. Not that I wouldn't love a scoring winger. But I think the bigggest problem with our offense is our defense, mostly the "offensive" side of it. Let's hope that Sproul and Ouellet don't get Nyquistatar'd in the minors and make the team asap. Ouellet looked awesome in his 1st game and Sproul should run our PP asap as well. If Smith doesn't get his s*** together asap, then i'l like to see the following next year: Kronwall-DeKeyser Sproul-Ouellet Kindl-Ericsson Smith/Almqvist 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 BTW - Subban is tied for the league lead among defensemen with 11 points. He's a point producer, and, again, exactly what we need, IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Could we cut a deal with the oilers? Can't really part with a D man though. Can't see it happening Sure we can, Quincey. We trade Quincey, Samuelsson, Eaves and Tootoo for their 4th round pick (who cares what we get). We call up Nyquist to his rightful place, bring up Almqvist and let Sproul and Ouellet finish the year in GR ready to take the 2nd pairing next year and we bring up Glendening whenever needed as we are currently doing. More offense needed? Bring up Jurco for a game here and there. When we have "insert league here" Defenseman of the Year all through our system, we surely can trade away Dmen. 2 BadgerBob and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 How bad is it, really? I had to look it up. Since the start of the Modern Conference Era (1993-94), it's the fewest goals scored (29) in the first thirteen games, five fewer than 1996-97, 2006-07 and 2011-12. The most? Fifty-six, in 1993-94 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bakerbert 211 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 These are actually turning out to be pretty funny. 3 Dabura, amato and BottleOfSmoke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted November 1, 2013 I wonder if Megatron would be willing to suit up for a few games. 2 bakerbert and jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) If I had a time machine, I'd save Konstantinov. Theres our dozen Cups. Vladdy was a clean, hard hitter with 10x the skill of that meathead.I had that thought as well as taking dats z and lids in there with them.But UNLIKE just taking pronger in the time machine, that's unrealistic. HA. And as much as I agree, pronger took crappy teams to Stanley cup finals. He was pretty dirty, but one pronger is greater grit than all the grit weve had on our team in over a decade. Forwards skated differently around him, they were timid on the puck. Edit: I would stop them from getting in that limo just to keep them safe, even if they weren't going to play hockey again. Now imagine that playing next to Lidstrom who would swipe the puck from anyone who came near him on a rush. I've had wet dreams about less. Edited November 1, 2013 by jimmyemeryhunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Our offense has always started with our blue line. That hasn't really been happening ever since we lost Rafalski and Lidstrom. Right now it's barely happening at all, and I believe that has everything to do with our crappy output. Who on our blue line is really capable of running the offense, consistently making that excellent first pass, moving the puck like a true pro? We have Kronwall and...Smith? Kindl? Ericsson has been good for us, and so has DeKeyser - but they're defensive defensemen, as is Lashoff. (Not sure what Quincey is. And yes, I mean that in a mean way.) A guy like Subban (i.e. a gifted offensive defenseman) would do wonders for our offense, IMHO. Not that I wouldn't love a scoring winger. But I think the biggest problem with our offense is our defense, mostly the "offensive" side of it. I would still disagree, the problem in my opinion is there is absolutely no one on the team that is a goal scorer. Without someone willing to take the pass from the D or the playmaking forwards all the PP QB in the world won't make much difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Yes, this. This, this, this. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are, right now, about as good as they're going to be from here on out. Alfredsson is here and he's awesome and ludicrously motivated. Howard is in fine form. Ericsson is good enough that he can play top-pairing minutes or drop down to the second pairing and be really, really good - so, point being, it's not like adding a high-end defenseman would give us only two really good defensemen (which, I admit, probably wouldn't be worth it). It'd give us three studs plus DeKeyser, and that's a potentially Cup-winning top four, unlike what we have now (yeah, we're gonna win it all with Smith-Quincey getting pretty big minutes. Excuse me while I barf.) Or, if we wanna go for a scoring forward - go for it, Ken! We need all the scoring help we can get! Do it! This team is nowhere good enough to be a legitimate Cup contender. I'm starting to feel bad for Alfie. Do you see us beating the Pens in a best-of-seven? Boston? I think even the Leafs would thump us, and, ick, that's a new and extremely unpleasant notion. Or, let's say we come out of the East. Do we beat the 'hawks or Sharks or even the Avs? OK, maybe the Avs. But it'd probably be close, and Mule would have to be the real Mule, which we can't really count on. "Well, two things, Robert." Go ahead. "First, we took the Blackhawks to seven games last season." I think we got a bit...well, I don't want to say lucky. I'll put it this way: I don't see us doing that again. We were just obscenely incredible for that three-game stretch, and the 'hawks were not themselves during that time. They got their crap together, Brendan Smith existed, and we ended that series on an incredibly terrible, madly disappointing, searingly sour note. "OK, fair enough. But, the second thing is, we're in the middle of a big transition phase; we should be satisfied with just making the playoffs." Booooooo!!! We're the Red Wings. It's Cup or bust every season, no excuses. And Daniel Alfredsson, who some believe is God Himself, chose the Wings over the Bruins for His final push. So, win the Cup or go to Hell. (No pressure.) /weekly rant Rant more often than weekly.And ask yourself questions in the 3rd person on the daily. That made me smile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 I find this sort of minutiae both fascinating and riveting...at the same time. Since the start of the Modern Conference Era (1993-94) in the League, it's the fewest goals scored total (33) in the first fourteen games by the Club, three fewer than 1996-97. And, it's the tenth fewest goals scored total all-time, tied with the 1959-60 team. So...it begs to ask the question: How, at this current juncture of the season, can a team with such an inept ability to put the "biscuit in the basket" still have both such impressive record and standing in their newly-minted Conference home? Maybe this man has the answer. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 7, 2013 Red Wings defensemen turn attention to transition game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambellronald7 2 Report post Posted November 8, 2013 May be our defence is not much stronger,that is what kills the offence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted November 11, 2013 Our D sucks. It wasn't just our forwards that teams needed to fear. When our d was good, it was near tops in the league in goals scored. We never replaced the 35+ goals lost from raf, lids and company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites