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#21 brett

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:14 AM

i actually wanted to split up dats a z after our first few games when i saw no other line could do anything



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:21 AM

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all of Draper, Maltby, and McCarty were able to skate, shoot, and hit, none of which Cleary can do anymore.

 

You don't have to mention Cleary in every post you make, Crymson. In fact, I bet you're doing exactly what he wants.

 

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Edited by Dabura, 26 October 2013 - 09:22 AM.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

I would like to see Zetterberg play with Weiss but this should be interesting. A little bit concerned about the lack of speed on the first line maybe.
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Posted 26 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

Figured I'd just put this here since it wasn't posted in this thread.

 

Todd Bertuzzi-Pavel Datsyuk-Daniel Alfredsson

Johan Franzen-Henrik Zetterberg-Tomas Tatar

Daniel Cleary-Stephen Weiss-Justin Abdelkader

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 11:25 AM

I don't like that third line at all. Would rather see Eaves there instead of Cleary. 


 
 
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Posted 26 October 2013 - 11:49 AM

Surprised nobody has said anything about Smith being paired with 55 on top D.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

 

Maybe not Draper ;)

 

He did score 24 goals in that one season. Anyway, I'd take 2010 Draper over 2013 Cleary any day of the week.


Edited by Crymson, 26 October 2013 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:14 AM

And did you know Maltby once scored 50 goals in junior?


"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:18 AM

And did you know Maltby once scored 50 goals in junior?


Hate this reference. 50 goals nowadays is way different than 50 goals back in the day. And considering different teams and line mates

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:46 AM

Hate this reference. 50 goals nowadays is way different than 50 goals back in the day. And considering different teams and line mates

 

That's the whole point of the reference; it's utterly meaningless.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:14 AM

 
That's the whole point of the reference; it's utterly meaningless.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 12:38 PM

Tatar - Datsyuk - Alfie
Nyquist - Mule - Z

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 12:42 PM

Tatar - Datsyuk - Alfie
Nyquist - Mule - Z

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My thoughts exactly.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:57 PM

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Tatar - Datsyuk - Alfie
Nyquist - Mule - Z

esteef

 

No. Franzen at center is awful so if anything, Hank would be centering that line. It would be interesting to see, but for now I would rather see:

 

Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Alfie

Nyquist- Weiss- Tatar 

Abby- Helm- Franzen

Bertuzzi-Anderson-Miller/Cleary

 

I think that these would be the best lines to try out once Helmer is back next week. IMO, I saw no offense pressure from any line until Pavs and Hank were put together in the 3rd last night... they need to stay together, along with Alfie because they generated many chances last night and have the potential to be the deadliest line in hockey.

 

The problem is figuring out a way to get everyone else going, and that is ultimately Babcock's just. So Holland has to figure out a way to allow Babs to play Nyqust, otherwise Babs can't do his job. From what I saw from Weiss last night is something that I have been saying all season. He excels at a north/south, fast skating style of hockey. He has not been able to do that playing with guys like Cleary and Franzen because they are too slow and lazy. I think putting Nyquist and Tatar on the 2nd line with Weiss would work out great. They are all speedy forwards, and all have the skill necessary. Nyquist and Tatar know each other well from Grand Rapids, and I think they would help form a 2nd line that would contribute to take some of the load off of 13, 40 and 11.

 

I think the 3rd line I have suggested makes sense, and it would allow Franzen to contribute some of his goals whenever  he shows up, but the biggest thing is he won't be slowing down his linemates like he does on the 1st two lines. 



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:12 PM

Hate this reference. 50 goals nowadays is way different than 50 goals back in the day. And considering different teams and line mates

 

Sheesh, calm down.  Its a LGW meme as old as Mickey Redmond's 'tache.


"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:04 PM

No. Franzen at center is awful so if anything, Hank would be centering that line. It would be interesting to see, but for now I would rather see:

 

There's not a lotta pride in this for me, so whatever. Actually, it's kinda funny, when I get really bored, I do line combinations. Depending on my mood, I might like esteef's idea or I might like yours (for the past week or so I've been favoring yours) or I might like something completely out of left field.

 

But, look, the bottom line is this: everyone has to step up. That's the only sure-fire global fix here. There's two, maybe three people driving the bus right now, and that's not the way it's supposed to work. It's not even a bus, more of a ship - like a boat, y'see? Whole big crew, every man does his part or nothing works. And what we're getting now is nothing is working, because people aren't doing their parts. I guess you could argue it's sorta circular, because, well, how do you get them doing their parts? You change up the lines! But I think at some point - like, now - you have to look at it a different way. Like, maybe these guys just need to be yelled at or have their video game privileges revoked. Or maybe Nyquist and Helm would be enough. Maybe this is all just cosmic and karmic and any and all change on Babs' part is futile.

 

Like I've said, if it were up to me, I'd try very, very, very, very hard to swing a big deal for a defenseman, preferably a puck-mover. The guys we're missing most right now are named Lidstrom and Rafalski.


Edited by Dabura, 27 October 2013 - 04:08 PM.

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#37 frankgrimes

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:12 PM


No. Franzen at center is awful so if anything, Hank would be centering that line. It would be interesting to see, but for now I would rather see:


 
There's not a lotta pride in this for me, so whatever. Actually, it's kinda funny, when I get really bored, I do line combinations. Depending on my mood, I might like esteef's idea or I might like yours (for the past week or so I've been favoring yours) or I might like something completely out of left field.
 
But, look, the bottom line is this: everyone has to step up. That's the only sure-fire global fix here. There's two, maybe three people driving the bus right now, and that's not the way it's supposed to work. It's not even a bus, more of a ship - like a boat, y'see? Whole big crew, every man does his part or nothing works. And what we're getting now is nothing is working, because people aren't doing their parts. I guess you could argue it's sorta circular, because, well, how do you get them doing their parts? You change up the lines! But I think at some point - like, now - you have to look at it that way. Like, maybe these guys just need to be yelled at or have their video game privileges revoked. Or maybe Nyquist and Helm wa setiould be enough. Maybe this is all just cosmic and karmic and any and all change on Babs' part is futile.
 
Like I've said, if it were up to me, I'd try very, very, very, very hard to swing a big deal for a defenseman, preferably a puck-mover. The guys we're missing most right now are named Lidstrom and Rafalski.

the problem I see is other Gm's aren't dumb they know how desperate this team is for the next Lidstom personally I'd say whatever the asking price for a true 1 is give it a serious look ORR finally start the rebuild. I couldn't care less about extending the streak, I want a team that's fun to each and tough to play against!

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#38 number9

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:18 PM

 
Sheesh, calm down.  Its a LGW meme as old as Mickey Redmond's 'tache.


Ppl have used it too many times to try and discredit our prospects, hence my distaste for it.





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