Would you want Moulson on the Wings?

[greenrebellion 415]

Sabres and Wings seem like good trade partners. We could dump off salary on them since they certainly have the cap room and an owner willing to spend money and they most likely will be shipping off Moulson by the deadline as he is unlikely to re-sign with them.

So what about something along the following lines?

Wings send:

- 1st & 2nd round pick

- M. Samuelsson (assumes he waves his NTC so that he can play rather than being benched)

- P. Eaves or Abdelkader or Tootoo

- Prospects (fill in whatever you think it takes to get a deal done)

Sabres send:

- M. Moulson

Forward Lines:

Moulson - Datsyuk - Alfreddson

Zetterberg - Weiss - Franzen

Tatar - Helm - Nyquist

Miller - Andersson - Abdelkader

Cleary/Bertuzzi cycling in on fourth line.

Edited October 28, 2013 by greenrebellion

[StormJH1 231]

I'll respond to the general question by saying, "Sure, why not". I don't have an opinion on the proposed trade yet because we don't know what BUF will look like in January yet, even though they'll probably be sellers. For all we know, BUF uses that abundance of cap room to overpay Moulson, and he extends there making this a moot point. That probably WON'T happen, but we don't know. Hypothetical trades like that one presume that teams with cap room want to spend it on all the overpriced crap we have and want to get a rid of. BUF was smart enough to get a 1st and a 2nd without even losing much production for the remainder of the year. Sammy, Eaves, and Tootoo are not players that do anything for BUF. Of course, if the Wings were to trade a decent prospect, then yes, that's always on the table. I wonder if signing Ville Leino, however, has them feeling a little burned (even though he went through PHI).

My concern about signing Moulson is that it's kind of like doing a more extreme version of the Franzen deal all over again. I don't know anything about Moulson's defensive game, but I'd have to think we're looking at a $6 million AAV player on the open market, at least. Does he keep up this scoring for several years, or is he Mark Parrish? People bemoan the Franzen contract, maybe unfairly so, but that's a $3.9 mil. AAV deal.

[e_prime 1,936]

Buffalo will probably try to swap him out for picks/prospects at the deadline and might be willing to take on a player with an expiring contract... but the original offer of 1st AND 2nd round picks, players and prospects seems quite steep for Moulson.

Unless you can extend him immediately he's not worth it. Additionally, Stormy's right in that he's the type of player that can probably get up to $6 million on the open market, so you're talking about big money to keep Moulson.

If I'm going after a player at the deadline that was involved in this deal between BUF and NYI... it's still Vanek.

If the Islanders are out of the playoff picture and/or they know Vanek isn't going to resign then they may be looking to get something back.

[CMatt89 63]

We in fact, have too many players. In getting rid of Tootoo, Eaves, and Sammy, we still have an excess, if you include the trusted services of Glendening and Emmerton. Room needs to be made for Nyquist, Tatar (fulltime) and potentially Helm. Not Moulson.

[wingedominance13 112]

Give up all of that for someone who is a FA at the end of the year. Eh idk. If this was for someone and we were in the position that would help with a cup run then yes. If we are gonna lose in the first round then no.

[Richdg 267]

We in fact, have too many players. In getting rid of Tootoo, Eaves, and Sammy, we still have an excess, if you include the trusted services of Glendening and Emmerton. Room needs to be made for Nyquist, Tatar (fulltime) and potentially Helm. Not Moulson.

yes we have a surplus, but Moulson is a proven 30-35 goals per year guy. No I am not familiar with his style of play. is he just a shooter or can he skate, play d, handle the rough stuff etc.... I have no idea. But he can score and has done so while playing with the Isles-not a great team.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I'd give Buffalo Mrazek and a first for Moulson so long as A) he was interested in signing an extension, and B) they took two of our expiring contracts as well.

To Buffalo:

Mrazek

1st

Sammy

Tootoo/Eaves

To Detroit:

Moulson

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

We in fact, have too many players. In getting rid of Tootoo, Eaves, and Sammy, we still have an excess, if you include the trusted services of Glendening and Emmerton. Room needs to be made for Nyquist, Tatar (fulltime) and potentially Helm. Not Moulson.

OP suggested a 2 for 1 trade. We would be freeing up a roster spot by dumping 2 guys to add Moulson for some much needed offence. Win/Win scenario assuming that the Sabres will let him go.

[Wombat 26]

Let's see how much his production diminishes by not being on Tavares' wing. Sabres fans are hoping to get a 1st or 2nd out of him by the deadline. These trades of multiple players and 1st rounders seem way too steep for Moulson, especially since we don't know yet if he's capable of being a 30 goal scorer away from JT.

I'd take him, but would rather move extra guys for picks then use a pick/prospect to get Moulson. Remember Buffalo is in our division now so they might not want to make a trade with the Wings.

[e_prime 1,936]

I'd give Buffalo Mrazek and a first for Moulson so long as A) he was interested in signing an extension, and B) they took two of our expiring contracts as well.

To Buffalo:

Mrazek

1st

Sammy

Tootoo/Eaves

To Detroit:

Moulson

I'd prefer to trade Mrazek, a 1st, and some expiring contracts to the Isle for Vanek if you could get an extension signed immediately. (Of course you probably can't make it work with cap-space)

[PumpkinEscobar 136]

I'd give Buffalo Mrazek and a first for Moulson so long as A) he was interested in signing an extension, and B) they took two of our expiring contracts as well.

To Buffalo:

Mrazek

1st

Sammy

Tootoo/Eaves

To Detroit:

Moulson

Wings won't give up Mrazek for Moulson

[kipwinger 8,522]

Wings won't give up Mrazek for Moulson

Why do you think that?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I think Moulson would be a great fit with Datsyuk much the way he was with Tavares. Considering he'd be a rental late in the year, I don't know how much I'd give up for him. But he has a good shot and a nose for the net, could fit in here for sure.

[kipwinger 8,522]

I'd prefer to trade Mrazek, a 1st, and some expiring contracts to the Isle for Vanek if you could get an extension signed immediately. (Of course you probably can't make it work with cap-space)

I totally agree, but he's got the MUCH heftier price tag. All things being equal though, Vanek is the better player.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I'd prefer to trade Mrazek, a 1st, and some expiring contracts to the Isle for Vanek if you could get an extension signed immediately. (Of course you probably can't make it work with cap-space)

I totally agree, but he's got the MUCH heftier price tag. All things being equal though, Vanek is the better player.

I honestly believe, Vanek will be looking at at least 50 m over at least 6 years or something like that. I wouldn't give up a 1st (could be the best one the DetroitRedWings have had since a looooong time) + Mrazek + Tootoo/Eaves. Tootoo I'd drive to the airport for John Scott!

Mrazek should be used as an asset but not for a rental player, the first only if the Sabres and DetroitRedWings would be changing their picks (I'd love to get Buffalos 1st round pick!!!)

[greenrebellion 415]

Let's see how much his production diminishes by not being on Tavares' wing. Sabres fans are hoping to get a 1st or 2nd out of him by the deadline. These trades of multiple players and 1st rounders seem way too steep for Moulson, especially since we don't know yet if he's capable of being a 30 goal scorer away from JT.

I'd take him, but would rather move extra guys for picks then use a pick/prospect to get Moulson. Remember Buffalo is in our division now so they might not want to make a trade with the Wings.

Keep in mind that by having them take a guy like Samuelson off our hands, we have to pay for that. So just as a hypothetical example, maybe Moulson himself is only worth a 1st and a 2nd, but if we are dumping players and contracts, we would have to further sweeten the deal which is why I felt like it would take a 1st and a 2nd plus a prospect. Doubt the prospect would have to be a premiere prospect, but who knows given the prices paid at recent trade deadlines.

But many have brought up a good point, if he is looking for a $6M a year contract, it simply wouldn't be worth it as I don't think his game is well rounded enough to justify that price tag.

Also keep in mind that this trade gets Nyquist on the roster...so that is worth something above and beyond simply what Moulson brings to the team.

Edited October 28, 2013 by greenrebellion

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

People are dreaming if they think Sammy is going anywhere. He's 37 soon and more than likely in his last year with a no-trade clause.

If you were Sammy would you rather....contend for the cup one last time with a playoff team and make a run with a bunch of fellow countrymen...or...Accept to got to the worst team in the league...

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Why do you think that?

Moulson is a pending UFA and Mrazek could be a number 1 guy for the future... add in the 1st and it doesn't work at all.

[Richdg 267]

People are dreaming if they think Sammy is going anywhere. He's 37 soon and more than likely in his last year with a no-trade clause.

If you were Sammy would you rather....contend for the cup one last time with a playoff team and make a run with a bunch of fellow countrymen...or...Accept to got to the worst team in the league...

This team is not going to make another cup run without some serious changes/updates. but I understand what you are trying to say. The only thing we can do with Sammy is cut him, which needs to be done asap.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Moulson is a pending UFA and Mrazek could be a number 1 guy for the future... add in the 1st and it doesn't work at all.

Mrazek could be the number one guy in five years after Howard's contract is up? You think he's going to stick around as a backup for that long?

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

This team is not going to make another cup run without some serious changes/updates. but I understand what you are trying to say. The only thing we can do with Sammy is cut him, which needs to be done asap.

I completely agree. I just feel everyone ignores the reality of the situation with Sammy. He's not going anywhere when we can't even afford a replacement under the cap.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Here's what I don't understand with Sammy. Why not just waive him? If he doesn't get claimed then you can just put him right back on the roster, like they did with Emmerton. Why not just see what happens?

[Richdg 267]

Here's what I don't understand with Sammy. Why not just waive him? If he doesn't get claimed then you can just put him right back on the roster, like they did with Emmerton. Why not just see what happens?

Yes. if he doesn't get claimed we can send him to GR and save a little money. We need to free up about 700K to be able to recall Nyquist. According to capgeek we have about 250K available right now. Nyquist makes 950,000. If nothing else it gets a usable player on the roster.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Here's what I don't understand with Sammy. Why not just waive him? If he doesn't get claimed then you can just put him right back on the roster, like they did with Emmerton. Why not just see what happens?

As of right now we're far too close to the cap to consider it. The savings we would get from his over-35 contract would be minimal and barely enough to even have somebody replace him on the roster.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Yes. if he doesn't get claimed we can send him to GR and save a little money. We need to free up about 700K to be able to recall Nyquist. According to capgeek we have about 250K available right now. Nyquist makes 950,000. If nothing else it gets a usable player on the roster.

Well if Sammy was waived, and he cleared, we'd only have 100k against the cap, so it wouldn't be enough to recall Nyquist. Even so, there's still no harm whatsoever in waiving him just to see what happens.