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#41 Son of a Wing

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 10:29 PM

All things considered, I'd rather see us pick up a veteran top-4 defenseman. Like I've said before, I think the holes on the blue line left by Lidstrom and Rafalski = our biggest source of suck.

 

Bogosian

Edler

Enstrom

Girardi

 

Et al.

 

If you're looking for a defenceman out of Winnipeg I'd probably avoid Bogosian and Enstrom. I think both are overrated and would have much too high of an asking price. They're both top 3-4 defencemen but with a top 1-2 price.

 

I'd prefer someone low-risk but proven in his own end. Mark Stuart comes to mind and is a UFA at the end of the season. Would still need to add an offensive defenceman though.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 10:30 PM

 

Because he has negative value.  No team is going to waste a couple million dollars on a player that won't crack the roster of most teams.

 

If you cross reference team in the league who are in playoff contention, with those that are middle of the pack in goal scoring, and who have a lot of cap space you're left with a handful of teams that COULD be willing to take a gamble on Sammy.  Especially considering his salary will be prorated so they'll end up paying him less than his 3 million.  Among these teams are Nashville, Ottawa, and Calgary.  If you add in teams with significant injury troubles (admittedly I haven't looked for these) you've got another factor.  Power play troubles...another.  Overall young team...another.

 

I'm not saying that he'll definitely get picked up.  But to say he has no value is more a commentary on your feelings about Sammy, and less about his potential worth.  Particularly in a league which saw the New York Islander's trade for Tim Thomas specifically so he WOULDN'T play hockey.  Value is relative to each specific club, and there are 29 others besides the Detroit Red Wings.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 10:35 PM

Thanks. I've been around for a while just never posted anything. I just like to read the opinions. I know the organization "wouldn't" persay, but theoretically would that work?

 

As far as I know as long as you're hurt doing a hockey related activity(training/playing) for a team in the organization you're eligible for IR/LTIR.

 

To get cap relief though it has to be LTIR which means the injury must be deemed serious enough by a doctor to miss a minimum of 10 games and 24 days.

 

Even then we do not gain his salary back.  We can simply exceed the cap by the pro-rated amount left. Until he is back.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 11:19 PM

 

If you cross reference team in the league who are in playoff contention, with those that are middle of the pack in goal scoring, and who have a lot of cap space you're left with a handful of teams that COULD be willing to take a gamble on Sammy.  Especially considering his salary will be prorated so they'll end up paying him less than his 3 million.  Among these teams are Nashville, Ottawa, and Calgary.  If you add in teams with significant injury troubles (admittedly I haven't looked for these) you've got another factor.  Power play troubles...another.  Overall young team...another.

 

I'm not saying that he'll definitely get picked up.  But to say he has no value is more a commentary on your feelings about Sammy, and less about his potential worth.  Particularly in a league which saw the New York Islander's trade for Tim Thomas specifically so he WOULDN'T play hockey.  Value is relative to each specific club, and there are 29 others besides the Detroit Red Wings.

 

If there was a chance we could waive him and someone would pick him up, the Wings would've done that before trying to use their buyout on him.  Furthermore, even if he did not have a no trade clause, no one would even give you a bag of pucks for him, this isn't anti wings bias, its just hockey sense.

 

Remember, even if its slightly under 3 million pro-rated, that is still real money that someone has to pay.  The GM's have to answer to the owners and no owner in the league is going to be happy about bringing in a guy that will cost nearly $3MM in cash when there are guys that can do the same thing for far less.

 

If your point is that crazy s*** happens, yes I'll give you that.  But I guess if some team needed to increase their cap hit ala Tim Thomas, they would've messaged Kenny by now and said hey waive the guy, we'll take him.  So the fact that he hasn't been waived means no one has done that.  

 

I guess at the end of the day this is sort of a pointless argument.  But my end view is this...if Kenny had an inkling that someone would take the guy on waivers (and he'd know way better than we would) the guy would've been on waivers by now.  But I believe that Sammy is as close to a guaranteed waiver clear as you can find in the league.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 12:14 AM

To whoever said why not waive him, and if/when he doesn't get claimed no harm no foul.

Whether or not its believable that someone would want him, if you waive him and he goes unclaimed then the entire league KNOWS noone wants him.
If there is someone teetering on the edge thinking of maybe trading for him soon that would kill it.

Its naive to think gms don't talk, but not every gm would even pick up the phone if a certain team made a call.
Like Detroit's offer to Colombus for Nash.
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Posted 29 October 2013 - 04:45 AM

Sammy's not going anywhere.

 

 

 

If you're looking for a defenceman out of Winnipeg I'd probably avoid Bogosian and Enstrom. I think both are overrated and would have much too high of an asking price. They're both top 3-4 defencemen but with a top 1-2 price.

 

I'd prefer someone low-risk but proven in his own end. Mark Stuart comes to mind and is a UFA at the end of the season. Would still need to add an offensive defenceman though.

 

Well, to your first point - they may be overrated and overpriced, but, honestly, we need a high-end piece on the blue line, and I don't see us snagging anyone's #1 or #2. (No Girardi. *cries*) And isn't everyone sort of overrated or at least overpriced these days?

 

I've always liked Robyn Regehr, but he's old and slow. Michal Rozsíval was beastly against us a few months ago, but he's old and slow. I'm not saying all steady veterans are old and slow, I just can't think of any that'd do for us the kind of wonders we really need done.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 05:46 AM


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 07:55 AM

The Wings aren't enamored of Sammy. They're not keeping him here out of loyalty or respect. I get the distinct impression they don't want him here. He was benches early and kept there until last game. He is never talked about by Babcock.

I think they were going to buy him out to start the off-season, but he threatened an injury so they couldn't according to the rules. I'm betting that bit of b.s. soured Holland's attitude toward him. He is clearly here to finish out his contract since he can't be traded without approving of it--not that anyone would trade for him--and waiving him won't help.

So we're stuck with him because he has no intention of leaving. So he'll stay benched except for when Babcock needs an extra body.
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Posted 29 October 2013 - 03:19 PM

I hope at least this off season they let these free agent forwards go as well as Quincey...time to infuse even more youth.







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