sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 If Franzen really thinks he's only had two good chances then he truly isn't a goal scorer because he doesn't understand what a good chance actually is. Apparently in his delusional mind, he thinks he scores on every chance he gets. So whatever the number of goals he has, is the number of chances he'll claim he's had... 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) THere's a weird line in the article where Zetterberg says "Obviously, had a long day already, but he’s going to be fired up tomorrow.’’ This could refer to being scratched. But, of course, it could just refer to him flying from Detroit. Edited November 1, 2013 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 I believe Franzen was scratched last game because of his play. It was kept quiet in the media, claimed as an injury. But this was a move by Babcock and company to get the Mule going. Now Zetterberg said he is expecting a better Mule. They're going to be waiting because apparently Franzen didn't get the message if he's all defensive saying he's doing fine. He's just too laid back. We can excuse it if he's scoring, but he just doesn't seem to care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Could've had Hossa. This is the worst part. Even when Hoss isn't scoring he is wicked defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LAWings 160 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 He scored 2 goals in the Avs game, right after Kronwall got Kronwalled. Mule was on the ice for the hit, did anyone see the look on his face as he was standing over Kronner while he did the thirsty fish? Mule was angry, this event sparked him, he played awesome. Perhaps if Kronwall can get knocked out every game we might see some more passion out of the donkey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 This is the worst part. Even when Hoss isn't scoring he is wicked defensively. And fast as hell. (We are, generally, slow as hell.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRW Dominance 255 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 what an idiot. this is what drives me nuts about him. it's almost like he's rubbing his piss poor play in our face with his cocky attitude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 i think hes been a lot more noticeable playing center. so i do not disagree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 While I agree that he's delusional in thinking scoring twice, on two scoring chances, in one game is being effective over a 12 game stretch, I thought he stood out at center in the few games he was moved there. He just needs to shoot the puck more and hopefully that's what he does tonight, and hopefully he gets one or more to help the team try to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 He is better at center. It's that he seems so damn cocky and fine with his pay when we all know he can do better if he tried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 I think for me, I have to separate "playing well" from scoring for Franzen. Is he lighting it up? No. But I have to agree that at center, he has to work a little harder and be more aware, so in the sense of not floating around and playing with himself he has been playing better. I like him at center for that reason, and I think if he can find a motivation to get out there and play every other night then he can be effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 When I read the OP's post, I thought he was joking. Can't believe Franzen would actually say that. Even Cleary must have been shaking his head in the locker room. 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Franzen has been playing hard the last few games. Points weren't coming up but they will. Having him play center can hopefully keep him engaged game in game out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fixxxer 11 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Keeping him scratched won't lite a fire under his ass. He's a useless hockey player instead of scratching him they should send him a one way ticket back to Sweden! Good riddance donkey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Then he can take his '2 good chances' and go to the third line while Tatar can get a promotion to create more then '2 good chances'. 3 Hockeymom1960, Z Winged Dangler and Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Franzen is a shell of his former self, and will not ever be the same again we will see flashes from time to time, but I think it's far too late to expect him to start producing offense at a consistent level if he doesn't get the hint from Z's recent comment, or Babs putting him at center to FORCE him to be more engaged on the ice, then he never will(spoiler- he won't) it reminds me of when the Oilers GM was complaining about Dustin Penner's lackadaisical play after he got his ridiculous contract, and he said something along the lines of, "Penner saw getting this contract as an end point, and he should've seen it as a starting point" that's how I feel Franzen looks at his contract and how much effort he thinks he needs to put in, it's like he's thinking, "Hey I worked hard to get this awesome lifetime contract, now it's time to sit back and watch the money pile up" ok maybe that's a bit much, but y'all get my point; he doesn't feel he has much to play for, he's won a Cup, he's got his money, to him the rest is gravy and the difference between Z's contract and Franzen's contract is Z has passion for the game and loves to go out there and compete and be the best player on the ice, Franzen does not have that passion, except maybe in little tiny bursts 2 Nev and EuroWing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Franzens contract is fine but if he doesn't pick it up the DetroitRedWings are going to buy him out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 I'm still they chose to not buy Sammy out cause they're saving it for this year....franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 that's how I feel Franzen looks at his contract and how much effort he thinks he needs to put in, it's like he's thinking, "Hey I worked hard to get this awesome lifetime contract, now it's time to sit back and watch the money pile up" Exactly. That's the frustrating thing about Franzen is he has tons of potential, but doesn't seem to care whatsoever and is lazy and apathetic with that fat lifetime contract. 3 T.Low, Dabura and datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted November 1, 2013 Franzens contract is fine but if he doesn't pick it up the DetroitRedWings are going to buy him out. I really hope they do. His contract while playing isn't so bad but the cap redemption thing would kill us when he retires early. 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 Holland? Buy out Franzen? Does anyone really believe that'd ever happen? I mean, sure, maybe if he finishes a season with, like, ten points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 When I hear or read the word "believe", I only associate it with one player. And it sure as hell isn't Franzen. 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuts2u 22 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 It's an interesting theory and his play certainly warranted it at times. But why would they protect Franzen's feelings like that when Babcock doesn't hesitate to bench and call out anyone? Unless it's more to protect Holland and management from the ire of fans because Babs is benching a guy they have signed for 6 more seasons? I hope he was benched. And I hope it happens more when he decides not to show up for games. When has Babcock ever benched ANY Wings player considered to be top 9? If he had any sack at all Franzen would have been benched long ago. Cleary, Franzen and Samuelsson are a 10 million dollar bag of s***. Franzen should have been packaged with what ever it took to get a replacement for a DEFENSEMAN. 2 datterberg1340 and fixxxer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 When has Babcock ever benched ANY Wings player considered to be top 9? If he had any sack at all Franzen would have been benched long ago. Cleary, Franzen and Samuelsson are a 10 million dollar bag of s***. Franzen should have been packaged with what ever it took to get a replacement for a DEFENSEMAN. Didn't Hudler get sat when he was top 9? And not a forward but Ian White got sat after being the Wings #2 D-man. Babcock's attitude about Mule seems to be the same as some people here at LGW, a half-ass Franzen is still better than most of the other options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted November 2, 2013 I agree and would vote in favor of a change to the LGW masthead picture. Regardless of whatever kind of career Franzen has for the rest of his playing days. I feel like it should be Helm even though he hasn't played in a while or Howie. 1 Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites