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Helm in, Franzen out against the Oil tonight!

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as happy as I am that Helm is back, I am dancing in the streets over Francine being benched! :yahoo:

:yahoo: first step to next summers buyout!

Are you using the term "benched" simply to mean that he's not playing, or are you suggesting that Franzen isn't playing tonight because the coach "benched him" for poor play?

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Are you using the term "benched" simply to mean that he's not playing, or are you suggesting that Franzen isn't playing tonight because the coach "benched him" for poor play?

why would he be out if it weren't for poor play? Plenty of other bottom sixers that would normally and usually get sat out for a returning player... Usually Franzen dtsys in. I hope this is a long benching....

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why would he be out if it weren't for poor play? Plenty of other bottom sixers that would normally and usually get sat out for a returning player... Usually Franzen dtsys in. I hope this is a long benching....

Could still be feeling sick after leaving last night's game?

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why would he be out if it weren't for poor play? Plenty of other bottom sixers that would normally and usually get sat out for a returning player... Usually Franzen dtsys in. I hope this is a long benching....

Because he missed the entirety of the third period in last night's game, battling the same flu that had kept him out of the lineup (and the team plane) the game before?

Edited by kipwinger

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I'm legitimately thrilled to see Helm return, not because of what he'll do for the team but because I was really concerned about the condition of his back. I was hoping it wouldn't end his career, and seeing him return makes me really happy for him.

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I'm usually pretty hard on Franzen, but I don't think he's played that bad this year. But he really needs a center that can get him the puck, otherwise he disappears.

He's got over 4 million cap hit and is on par for under 25 points. That's playing pretty bad.

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I'm usually pretty hard on Franzen, but I don't think he's played that bad this year. But he really needs a center that can get him the puck, otherwise he disappears.

Im going to disagree here. I think this is the worse Franzen has looked in quite a while. Hes shown up for basically the Colorado game. The rest he has been completely invisible. A guy his size should be able to impact the game without a center force feeding him the puck. Whether its taking it to the net himself or using his body to create for others. I honestly dont think Franzen cares about anything but picking up his paycheck anymore. His comments before about the regular season boring him and then his defense for not scoring last year being "Well Im not supposed to be a goal scorer anyways" just makes me believe it even more. Remember he came into the league as a strong workhorse player. Nothing in his game now resembles that. And to think the Wings could have had Hossa.

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Im going to disagree here. I think this is the worse Franzen has looked in quite a while. Hes shown up for basically the Colorado game. The rest he has been completely invisible. A guy his size should be able to impact the game without a center force feeding him the puck. Whether its taking it to the net himself or using his body to create for others. I honestly dont think Franzen cares about anything but picking up his paycheck anymore. His comments before about the regular season boring him and then his defense for not scoring last year being "Well Im not supposed to be a goal scorer anyways" just makes me believe it even more. Remember he came into the league as a strong workhorse player. Nothing in his game now resembles that. And to think the Wings could have had Hossa.

Here's my reasoning, I think Franzen more than any player on the team needs stability, but with Weiss sticking it up (granted he has played better last 2 games) Franzen has been moved around too much and I think we can all agree he has no business at center. But I think what hurts him is the wings keep drilling into his head that he has to be Homer, which we all know he is not. His best asset is the ability to shoot the puck but with no center he has to go and get the puck himself and be a playmaker which is a style he's not suited for. Not making excuses for him since he has to be more vigilant and stop standing around, he also has to shoot more. But not having a consistent center has really hurt him.

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