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#61 sjr2012

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 01:54 PM

Customer is always right? Right? Well, the paying customers want Sammy, Cleary and Eaves off the menu. Customer is always right? Right?

not when We like our team


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 01:59 PM

Why cant people get this thru their heads, Sammuelson cannot we waived, sinces his a veteran on a multi-year his cap relief is only 100k. He is far more valuable as the 23rd man with a cap hit of essentially 100k. They tried to buy him out but he was injured, unfortunate circumstance. The guy being sent down has to be someone who doesnt dress every night, and thats leaves Eaves or Tootoo. When Everyone is healthy that means Eaves will probably get cut too.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:04 PM

Why cant people get this thru their heads, Sammuelson cannot we waived, sinces his a veteran on a multi-year his cap relief is only 100k. He is far more valuable as the 23rd man with a cap hit of essentially 100k. They tried to buy him out but he was injured, unfortunate circumstance. The guy being sent down has to be someone who doesnt dress every night, and thats leaves Eaves or Tootoo. When Everyone is healthy that means Eaves will probably get cut too.

To be quite literal, the people are getting this through their heads. It's not staying in their heads, which is the real source of your disgust. 



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:09 PM

Why cant people get this thru their heads, Sammuelson cannot we waived, sinces his a veteran on a multi-year his cap relief is only 100k. He is far more valuable as the 23rd man with a cap hit of essentially 100k. They tried to buy him out but he was injured, unfortunate circumstance. The guy being sent down has to be someone who doesnt dress every night, and thats leaves Eaves or Tootoo. When Everyone is healthy that means Eaves will probably get cut too.

People are talking about preferences, not what can actually happen.  If they had to pick one person to go, Sammy would be first.  Now relax.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:21 PM

Why cant people get this thru their heads, Sammuelson cannot we waived, sinces his a veteran on a multi-year his cap relief is only 100k. He is far more valuable as the 23rd man with a cap hit of essentially 100k. They tried to buy him out but he was injured, unfortunate circumstance. The guy being sent down has to be someone who doesnt dress every night, and thats leaves Eaves or Tootoo. When Everyone is healthy that means Eaves will probably get cut too.

 

That still sounds like he CAN be waived, it just doesn't make much sense since it would bring little cap relief.

 

and as vladdy pointed out, it's more about wishing.  And personally I can't get it through my head because I'm old and they keep changing the waiver rules just when I think I've got them figured out.  :P



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:32 PM

Not a fan of Tootoo, never liked the signing but this team is now by far the softest bunch in the NHL, Kenny should finally wake up and take an advise out of Nonis book HOW to build a bottom 6, I'd kill to have McLaren + Orr on the fourth line.

 

Also I couldn't care less if it's due "cap issues" if you are over the cap don't sign stupid contracts (i.e. Weiss + a bunch of veterans...)


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:34 PM

Then why not send sammy or cleary down...or heck even eaves. Specially now that Babs said that he likes toots a lot and that if he clears he will be kept in Detroit. So its seems more of just a roster spot that is needed then money because aren't we still on the hook for half or more of tootoos contract or whatever. Those are 3 players that have provided little to nothing in all the games they have played so far this season. where as tootoo when he has been given the chance has played his heart out every shift....I don't' understand.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:37 PM

not liking this .. prefer him to eaves on a nightly basis. 



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:41 PM

I like Tootoo but I don't think he's very important to the team. If waiving him is the first step towards having Nyquist in the lineup then so be it. Atleast Holland is doing something finally. 



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:47 PM

 

That still sounds like he CAN be waived, it just doesn't make much sense since it would bring little cap relief.

 

and as vladdy pointed out, it's more about wishing.  And personally I can't get it through my head because I'm old and they keep changing the waiver rules just when I think I've got them figured out.  :P

 

Sammy most certainly can be waived as he doesn't have a no movement clause, just a no trade clause.  From a cap relief standpoint, sure the Wings would only receive a $100k benefit from the move but based on some coverage I've been seeing, the next move the Wings will need to make is all about staying at the 23 man roster limit & has nothing to do with the salary cap.  Fingers crossed that Sammy may very well find himself going through waivers soon.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:50 PM

I like toots cause you notice him out on the ice. he just does not blend in to the play. Creates excitement and works hard. but this is what hurts him as well, as much as I say "atta boy go get'em", I also say "What H-E-double hockey sticks are you doing out there."

 

I really think it depended on the team we were playing. he was great against the bottom 8. but looked silly to the top 8 teams. 

 

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:00 PM

Fingers crossed that Sammy may very well find himself going through waivers soon.

 

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

 

I'm almost positive but someone may have to clarify this for me also; it's to my knowledge that the new CBA allows players to get called back up to the NHL without re-entry waivers. This move would give cap relief for the franchise while allowing them to use Tootoo as a 2-way contract(?). If they do want to re-use him now, they don't need to pass him through waivers again. Again, this is what I believe the new CBA allowed, but i'm not a CBA expert by any means. I do think that if he comes back up to the NHL though... he has to re-pass through waivers. THey must likely tried to move him over the past few weeks, got nothing and then decided to let him to go waivers in order to relieve cap space.

 

There's no longer re-entry waivers.

 

Under the new rules for players on one-way contracts in the AHL, teams get $925,000 in cap relief (pro rated) if they send down a player who makes more than that. The player continues to collect his full salary in the minors.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:11 PM

I think the jury is still out on this year's signings for Holland.  Cleary...nuff said.  Weiss....may come around, but I don't see him as being a significant upgrade or filling the role we needed him to.  I think Alfie's been ok, but pretty hard to lose out on a one year deal.

 

I can't say I was a huge fan of Tootoo, but I have to say he did the job he was paid to do.  If the Wings signed him looking for a defensive specialist or sniper, they were mistaken.  He seems like a good guy, and I wish him well wherever he ends up.

 

Cleary may get PP and PK time but it isn't deserved in any way.  I still can't understand Babcock's boner for Cleary.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:18 PM

Why would we have to send him down though?

Forwards:
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Bertuzzi
Franzen
Weiss
Alfredsson
Tatar
Helm
Nyquist
Abdelkader
Anderson
Cleary
Samuelson
Miller

Defense:
Kronwall
Big E
Kindl
Dekeyser
Smith
Quincey
Lashoff

This would make a 23 man roster. My question is would we be over the cap with this roster or no?

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

I wanted to see him on a line with Helm and Abby :(



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:31 PM

@wingsfrontman: Wings GM Ken Holland says in a text that Jordin Tootoo won't be sent to Grand Rapids if he clears waivers.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:37 PM

@wingsfrontman: Wings GM Ken Holland says in a text that Jordin Tootoo won't be sent to Grand Rapids if he clears waivers.

 

Interesting.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:37 PM

@wingsfrontman: Wings GM Ken Holland says in a text that Jordin Tootoo won't be sent to Grand Rapids if he clears waivers.

So I really don't get this now.....if not then aren't they still in for the cap hit?


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

So I really don't get this now.....if not then aren't they still in for the cap hit?

 

Yes, still in for the cap hit but this clears them up to just send him straight down to GR without waivers again I believe once Ericsson & Smith are back.







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