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#21 RedWingsRox

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:53 AM

Or what about Yakapov to Toronto for Reimer ... 

Or Yakapov to us for Mrazek and Quincey & Samuelsson ... :blind:  

 

Strange choice for Mac ... sign of desperation.  But it'll be fun to have the Russian philosopher back.  Sounds like Dats and him are buds of some sort.  


Edited by RedWingsRox, 09 November 2013 - 11:57 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:37 PM

 

Newsflash - not everyone on successful teams are best friends.  As far as I can tell, Bryzgalov's biggest crime is to be honest with the media.  Unless someone displays Sean Avery levels of doucheness, the ONLY thing that matters is what happens on the ice.  If Bryz goes in and gives them half decent goaltending, who cares if his team-mates like him.

 

Newsflash: stability in the locker room benefits on-ice play---this is an indisputable fact---whereas instability in the locker room negatively influences performance. I don't think you're qualified to speak to the degree of trouble necessary to cause problems; the simple reality is that less will always be better.

 

I agree that being a leader in the locker room does not translate to being valuable on the ice, but that is irrelevant to the point at hand.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:51 PM

I don't think Yakapov is going anywhere.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:55 PM

I don't think Yakapov is going anywhere.

 

The Oilers informed him earlier this week that he's no longer on the block.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:39 PM

 

Newsflash: stability in the locker room benefits on-ice play---this is an indisputable fact---whereas instability in the locker room negatively influences performance. I don't think you're qualified to speak to the degree of trouble necessary to cause problems; the simple reality is that less will always be better.

 

I agree that being a leader in the locker room does not translate to being valuable on the ice, but that is irrelevant to the point at hand.

 

Indisputable fact?  :lol:  You have scientific studies with, y'know, graphs and everything?

 

And if I'm not qualified to speak, I guess you aren't either?  What I do know - from personal experience - is that when you've got a good team of people, who are good at their jobs, and want to do well, they can also be difficult people.  Strong characters, opinionated, argumentative, think they're right and everyone else is wrong.  But you know what?  I'm willing to put up with it because they're good at their job and they want it done right.  So I disagree that less is always better.

 

Claude Lemiuex was a POS who once ripped a team-mate to bits in front of the rest of the team so hard that he caused him to burst into tears.  That team-mate never played for the Avs again, whilst Lemiuex won 4 cups.  Nice guys don't always win.  It's better if winners are nice, but they're often not.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 02:04 PM



 

Indisputable fact?  :lol:  You have scientific studies with, y'know, graphs and everything?

 

Very, very basic logic, on top of what professional athletes say. 

 

And if I'm not qualified to speak, I guess you aren't either?  What I do know - from personal experience - is that when you've got a good team of people, who are good at their jobs, and want to do well, they can also be difficult people.  Strong characters, opinionated, argumentative, think they're right and everyone else is wrong.  But you know what?  I'm willing to put up with it because they're good at their job and they want it done right.  So I disagree that less is always better.

 

How could less not be better?

 

Claude Lemiuex was a POS who once ripped a team-mate to bits in front of the rest of the team so hard that he caused him to burst into tears.  That team-mate never played for the Avs again, whilst Lemiuex won 4 cups.  Nice guys don't always win.  It's better if winners are nice, but they're often not.

 

As far as I've been able to tell, Lemieux was known as a great teammate.


Edited by Crymson, 09 November 2013 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 02:50 PM

 

Very, very basic logic, on top of what professional athletes say. 

 

 

How could less not be better?

 

 

As far as I've been able to tell, Lemieux was known as a great teammate.

 

And what makes Bryz a bad one?  The fact that he's interested in space?  You're just jumping on the bandwagon that constantly bashes the guy, because he's been given this bad teammate rep.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:46 PM

 

Newsflash - not everyone on successful teams are best friends.  As far as I can tell, Bryzgalov's biggest crime is to be honest with the media.  Unless someone displays Sean Avery levels of doucheness, the ONLY thing that matters is what happens on the ice.  If Bryz goes in and gives them half decent goaltending, who cares if his team-mates like him. 

 

Dan Cleary is hugely popular with his team-mates, the anti-locker room cancer.  Doesn't make him an effective team mate though.

 

 

Agreed.  Teammates value trust and respect a lot more than "being a good guy".  

 

Trust and respect you have to earn.  "Being a good guy" is essentially a default status that can be lost.


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When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:48 PM

 

And what makes Bryz a bad one?  The fact that he's interested in space?  You're just jumping on the bandwagon that constantly bashes the guy, because he's been given this bad teammate rep.

 

Have I said anything about Bryzgalov?



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:41 PM

I guess this makes sense, from MacTavish's perspective. Do you deal from a position of weakness and get taken to the cleaners (e.g. Ryan Miller), or do you go for the upgrade who doesn't cost anything in the way of assets? It's pretty much a win-win: either Bryzgalov establishes himself as The Answer, or "MacT" decides they need someone better. Either way, no assets lost. (Just money.) And hey, maybe having a high-profile starter in Bryzgalov makes dealing for a different high-profile starter easier, e.g. maybe Regier feels good about shipping Miller to Edmonton if Bryzgalov is part of the package coming his way.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:52 PM

 

Indisputable fact?  :lol:  You have scientific studies with, y'know, graphs and everything?

 

And if I'm not qualified to speak, I guess you aren't either?  What I do know - from personal experience - is that when you've got a good team of people, who are good at their jobs, and want to do well, they can also be difficult people.  Strong characters, opinionated, argumentative, think they're right and everyone else is wrong.  But you know what?  I'm willing to put up with it because they're good at their job and they want it done right.  So I disagree that less is always better.

 

Claude Lemiuex was a POS who once ripped a team-mate to bits in front of the rest of the team so hard that he caused him to burst into tears.  That team-mate never played for the Avs again, whilst Lemiuex won 4 cups.  Nice guys don't always win.  It's better if winners are nice, but they're often not.

 

Tim Thomas is another example.  He's a guy known for not being the best teammate, especially on a Boston team that's very big on the "all for one" mentality, but the guy stood on his head in goal so it didn't matter.  There are guys who are true cancers, like Avery, but ultimately they're professionals.  Especially when it comes to goalies, who are generally nutjobs.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:30 PM

 

Have I said anything about Bryzgalov?

 

Well you did respond directly to a conversation about Bryzgalov in a thread entirely about Bryzgalov...


"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
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When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

#33 AusWing40

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:21 PM

I don't get it. Bryzgalov is rubbish

#34 Crymson

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:07 AM

 

Well you did respond directly to a conversation about Bryzgalov in a thread entirely about Bryzgalov...

 

I was discussing a concept.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:07 AM

Tim Thomas is another example.  He's a guy known for not being the best teammate, especially on a Boston team that's very big on the "all for one" mentality, but the guy stood on his head in goal so it didn't matter.  There are guys who are true cancers, like Avery, but ultimately they're professionals.  Especially when it comes to goalies, who are generally nutjobs.


I think Timmay is an outstanding teammate, it's good to stick to your ideals. The series this guy played against the Vancouver Canucks - an unreal offensive powerhouse in 2011 -was one if not the best goaltending performance I've seen in along time.

Bryzgalov on the other side is attention hungry, has a questionable attitude and is playing in a hockey mad market now this screams trouble.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:27 AM

Dallas Eakins' team in turmoil? That's too bad.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 09:23 AM

I think Timmay is an outstanding teammate, it's good to stick to your ideals. The series this guy played against the Vancouver Canucks - an unreal offensive powerhouse in 2011 -was one if not the best goaltending performance I've seen in along time.Bryzgalov on the other side is attention hungry, has a questionable attitude and is playing in a hockey mad market now this screams trouble.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 04:11 PM

The Russian philosopher pulled out a win and a shut out in his first appearance!  

 

Back to back ... starting again tonight. 



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Posted 29 November 2013 - 09:15 PM

The Russian philosopher pulled out a win and a shut out in his first appearance!  

 

Back to back ... starting again tonight. 

Well the excitment of him being signing with the Oilers is probably over now. He played two periods today and was not in net at the start of the 3rd.



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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:31 PM

He's not the answer for a struggling Oilers team. 

 

Although their goaltending before he entered the fold was plain awful.

 

It seems his first start didn't prove any different. 







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