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#261 GoalieManPat

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:38 AM

Edit: Howard's stats aref****** brutal.

Yet other than Hank and Pav he has been the besr Wing this year.
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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:42 AM

Yet other than Hank and Pav he has been the besr Wing this year. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

 

I don't think so. 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:43 AM

Howards not at fault, but he isn't gonna win games for us with the D we got infront of him, let alone our dried up offense.

 

I've come to the conclusion that if any team scores more then 2 on us its most likely a loss.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:02 AM

Thank you Stevie Y for gifting us with at least a point.  We were outplayed, we didn't even deserve that.  

 

In return, can we gift you Quincey for nothing?  


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:49 AM

 

I don't think so. 

 

If you don't think so then name a player not named Hank or Pav who has figured more into the Wings getting points this year than Howard. Without his strong play the Wings wouldn't be taking one point away in these losses when the team doesn't show up. They would be taking 5-2 regulation losses.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:48 AM

Howard's  been alright but the numbers don't lie and he also has a bad habit of letting in very untimely goals. A little bit of clutchiness wouldn't hurt, maybe we could actually win an OT or two!



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:57 AM

They just announced Team Canada's lineup. Cleary is on the first line.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:58 AM

Glad I'very missed the game but also happy to see Stevo Y doing well as a GM, the Bolts are training him well for his next duties :-) Streaky, streaky and streaky the DetroitRedWings 2013 - maybe give the monster a couple of starts and rest Howie?

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:04 AM

Howard's  been alright but the numbers don't lie and he also has a bad habit of letting in very untimely goals. A little bit of clutchiness wouldn't hurt, maybe we could actually win an OT or two!

 

Hes already being that "little bit of clutchness" to even get the game to overtime. Howard has been money and yes the numbers do lie. With the amount of turnovers this team has which gift the opposition grade A scoring chances Howard is keeping this team in contention. How many odd man rushes does he face compared to the number the Wings generate. The odd mans against are easily in favor by 3 to 1 yet Detroit is still kept in the game. The last 4 OT games the Wings have lost (SJ, NY, DAL, and TB) his saves are the only reason they get those 4 pts. Heck he had a 65 minute shutout against SJ and still the team couldnt pull it out for him. This team does not need "more clutchness" from Howard. They are getting that. They need the other 16 skaters not named Datsyuk and Zetterberg to be more clutch.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:34 AM

I hate Quincey.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 09:26 AM

This team is in Big trouble. Outside of Alfie, Pav, Z, Dek, Jimmy, and Bert. this team has been awful. The Defense is the main reason that Jimmy's stats are in the tank. We have a team that will get beat most nights. Edmonton is the last game that they dominated other then that they have been lucky to even get any points. Babcock clearly has no idea what to do next. Holland you suck 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:32 AM

So Quincey has the worst +/- on the entire team, and has 2 points in 18 games. Why is he on this team again besides trying to make us lose ? Those kind of stats alone would have had him off the team on most teams that were considered contenders.

 

Miller is also a liability. Does nothing offensively yet is a -8 5 on 5. Good job Holland.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:37 AM

This team is in Big trouble. Outside of Alfie, Pav, Z, Dek, Jimmy, and Bert. this team has been awful. The Defense is the main reason that Jimmy's stats are in the tank. We have a team that will get beat most nights. Edmonton is the last game that they dominated other then that they have been lucky to even get any points. Babcock clearly has no idea what to do next. Holland you suck 

 

We like our team. We kicked the tires, but ultimately we just didn't feel the price was right.

 

We feel that getting Nyquist back will be like a big deadline acquisition.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:40 AM

 
Hes already being that "little bit of clutchness" to even get the game to overtime. Howard has been money and yes the numbers do lie. With the amount of turnovers this team has which gift the opposition grade A scoring chances Howard is keeping this team in contention. How many odd man rushes does he face compared to the number the Wings generate. The odd mans against are easily in favor by 3 to 1 yet Detroit is still kept in the game. The last 4 OT games the Wings have lost (SJ, NY, DAL, and TB) his saves are the only reason they get those 4 pts. Heck he had a 65 minute shutout against SJ and still the team couldnt pull it out for him. This team does not need "more clutchness" from Howard. They are getting that. They need the other 16 skaters not named Datsyuk and Zetterberg to be more clutch.


I agree 100%. Going by the eye test, I can't remember another period of time when we were giving up as many shots as we have been lately. Against Dallas, Howard was screened on both of the last two goals. Against Tampa, he was beat by onetimer that was scored by a guy who should have been covered, not to mention the pass only happened because of Q's turnover.

It'a also tiresome hearing people say we'll never win a cup with Howard. He has gotten better every year. He only let in 1/33 shots, in regulation, against Chicago in game 7. That's a clutch performance in the most high-pressure situation that Howard's ever been in.

I saw it suggested, on here, that we should pursue lundqvist next year. For what? The guy has a 2% higher save percentage over his career. That does not warrant the 25% higher salary salary he commands. Howard is the best, established established goalie for the money.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:48 AM

I agree 100%. Going by the eye test, I can't remember another period of time when we were giving up as many shots as we have been lately. Against Dallas, Howard was screened on both of the last two goals. Against Tampa, he was beat by onetimer that was scored by a guy who should have been covered, not to mention the pass only happened because of Q's turnover.

It'a also tiresome hearing people say we'll never win a cup with Howard. He has gotten better every year. He only let in 1/33 shots, in regulation, against Chicago in game 7. That's a clutch performance in the most high-pressure situation that Howard's ever been in.

I saw it suggested, on here, that we should pursue lundqvist next year. For what? The guy has a 2% higher save percentage over his career. That does not warrant the 25% higher salary salary he commands. Howard is the best, established established goalie for the money.

It especially doesn't make sense when we have a pretty solid goalie pipeline as well. Mzarek and Paterson.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

you know your team is bad when helm is centering a 2nd line

 

any who like others say and have said for almost the whole season thus far we didnt deserve to win. sloppy and played in our own end

 

howard isnt at fault but he sure isnt stealing us any games



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:09 PM

They just announced Team Canada's lineup. Cleary is on the first line.

That joke is getting old. Babs is coming around. Cleary on the 4th line despite a depleted lineup? Safe to say we're past the worst I think.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:09 PM

Need Ericsson back badly. Put Smith with Ericsson I bet he looks a lot better. Any of Kindl, Quincey, Lashoff can get benched for the whole season to get our rookies on the third pair for all I care.

 

Lashoff is a rookie on the third pair.  He's played 48 games in the NHL, and i think he's mostly been fine. 

 

Kindl continues to be incredibly frustrating.  It's his 4th year on the team, he's a skill player, and he's really improved in the offensive zone.  But he's still making terrible plays in his own end like one last night, along with turning the puck over too much with his desperate clearing attempts instead of solid first passes.

 

Quincey is well, Quincey.  He's been plagued by this his whole career.  Stretches where he looks very solid (which he has on the Wings), followed by stretches where you can't believe he's in the NHL.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:16 PM

That joke is getting old. Babs is coming around. Cleary on the 4th line despite a depleted lineup? Safe to say we're past the worst I think.

 

Agreed.

 

He was utilized more where he belongs so maybe people will settle down.  I don't think he's been as awful as everyone here makes him out to be, but he certainly shouldn't be on the 2nd line.  3rd and 4th line with some PK time is fine. 

 

Against a team like Tampa you really see his lack of speed.  On his penalty last night Cleary and another Wings player got crossed up on the switch.  And if an opponent with any speed gets a step on Cleary it's pretty much over, so he ended up taking the hook. 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:22 PM

 
Agreed.
 
He was utilized more where he belongs so maybe people will settle down.  I don't think he's been as awful as everyone here makes him out to be, but he certainly shouldn't be on the 2nd line.  3rd and 4th line with some PK time is fine. 
 
Against a team like Tampa you really see his lack of speed.  On his penalty last night Cleary and another Wings player got crossed up on the switch.  And if an opponent with any speed gets a step on Cleary it's pretty much over, so he ended up taking the hook. 

He's the embodiment of what's wrong with this team though. Too many passengers. Too few guys who actively contribute positive things on a nightly basis. That's why I'm not a fan of Lashoff. Should he be in the lineup because he's not terrible? Because he doesn't do a lot of mistakes? Or should we try Almqvist or Oullet/Sproul as regulars who may do more GOOD things? AA managed to stand out in a positive way more in 2 games than Lashoff has done all year.





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