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#1 Playmaker

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:13 PM

http://kuklaskorner....ranzens-ailment

 

If this is indeed the case, I hope that it isn't treated any differently than a physical ailment.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:26 PM

This could explain his lack of production.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:38 PM

It explains why he is a completely different player out there some nights. Maybe the thought of being bought out is aggravating it? Who knows.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:43 PM

It's all completely speculation at this point.

 

If Franzen had issues managing his anxiety anytime while on the Red Wings, then Holland is an even bigger fool than I thought for giving him an 11 year contract based on a few good seasons. 



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

That's like saying we shouldn't have signed Weiss to a long term deal because he had a history of injuries.  The article from 2009 that was linked was especially eye opening. 



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:48 PM

Didn't seem to affect his, or his agents' negotiating skills a few years ago.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:51 PM

now i know why he floats so much hes probably on xanax. def makes you not give a f*** about anything

 

nonetheless anxiety sucks and if thats the case i actually feel bad for him cause ive experience anxiety and it sucks. 



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:52 PM

It's all completely speculation at this point.
 
If Franzen had issues managing his anxiety anytime while on the Red Wings, then Holland is an even bigger fool than I thought for giving him an 11 year contract based on a few good seasons. 


I wouldn't fault a GM in understanding the incredibly wide range of issues that an anxiety disorder can create. Franzen may not have even been aware of them, and often if they're combined with dissociation of any kind it's not the type of thing people are keen on talking about.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:53 PM

Oh great.

 

I've always compared Franzen to the song "Comfortably Numb"  


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:58 PM

I wouldn't fault a GM in understanding the incredibly wide range of issues that an anxiety disorder can create. Franzen may not have even been aware of them, and often if they're combined with dissociation of any kind it's not the type of thing people are keen on talking about.

 

I agree to a point, but a GM doesn't have to understand it.  Because it's a complex issue is exactly why you don't commit to that player for 11 years.

 

Mule had been on the Red Wings for 3 seasons before they gave him the monster contract.  If they were so pronounced they impacted his daily life and game, they had to at least had to have a sense for his issues and personality by then.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:11 PM

 
I agree to a point, but a GM doesn't have to understand it.  Because it's a complex issue is exactly why you don't commit to that player for 11 years.
 
Mule had been on the Red Wings for 3 seasons before they gave him the monster contract.  If they were so pronounced they impacted his daily life and game, they had to at least had to have a sense for his issues and personality by then.


Professional therapists can't always even get a sense of it. He stated he's had it since he was a teenager so they likely knew, but after his 08 and 09 performances they probably thought it was well managed.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:20 PM

If he does have this problem, and if he had it in the past, it could be that different circumstances, different medications, or just different life events could change things for him.

 

Since he scored all of those goals he's been thrust into the limelight (which he's always said is not comfortable for him), gotten a new contract, had new expectations thrust upon him, gotten married, had a baby, and had some injuries.  Any or all of these things could trigger different issues that could have been addressed in any number of ways.

 

We can sit here and speculate all we want, but IIRC, Babs degree was in sports psychology.  If there is an issue, he's probably as good, if not better, than any other coach to deal with things.

 

Anxiety and depression can be treated, but the symptoms and severity often change, and often meds (which often have side effects) have to be changed too.

 

Whatever he's going through, I hope he can get through it and return in good form.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:40 PM

"speculated that Johan Franzen's absence from the team is due to some sort of flare-up of his social anxiety issues."

 

This is the worst "speculation" I've ever seen for this situation. I don't buy into someone with social anxiety severe enough to be treated doesn't go into professional sports, let alone a team sport, or even a sport in general.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:46 PM

"speculated that Johan Franzen's absence from the team is due to some sort of flare-up of his social anxiety issues."
 
This is the worst "speculation" I've ever seen for this situation. I don't buy into someone with social anxiety severe enough to be treated doesn't go into professional sports, let alone a team sport, or even a sport in general.

If Herschel Walker could play football with d.i.d., Franzen can accomplish what he has with anxiety.

Edited by Mckinley25, 09 November 2013 - 10:47 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:04 AM

"speculated that Johan Franzen's absence from the team is due to some sort of flare-up of his social anxiety issues."
 
This is the worst "speculation" I've ever seen for this situation. I don't buy into someone with social anxiety severe enough to be treated doesn't go into professional sports, let alone a team sport, or even a sport in general.

Zach Greinke has had problems with anxiety and he's pitched great. As far as Franzen goes I'm not in love with somebody making assumptions about a persons mental health. Malik can't know something like that without being told or being a part of the situation. Leave the psycho-analyzing to the professionals.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:20 AM

Anyone think it could have something to do with the HBO filming?


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:05 AM

Anyone think it could have something to do with the HBO filming?


That's a really good question.
If it is because of the 24/7 cameras, maybe its precautionary so he doesn't get rattled with the cameras violating the sanctity of the locker room for him.
Or.
It's already gotten to him and its making him physically ill thinking about it.
So. Either way.
I hope he gets himself well, and comes back with a passion.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:34 AM

They always say mule needs to develop his "confidence" before he goes on a scoring streak. Hope the translation isn't "get his anxiety under control."

Either way this brings up an interesting issue of mental health in sports. It's something I've never heard discussed.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:24 AM

Zach Greinke has had problems with anxiety and he's pitched great. As far as Franzen goes I'm not in love with somebody making assumptions about a persons mental health. Malik can't know something like that without being told or being a part of the situation. Leave the psycho-analyzing to the professionals.

While I agree to a point, I think the Wings have to be aware that when a star player is out of the lineup and a lot of vague answers are given, speculation is going to occur.  I don't think Malik is pulling this out of his ass, it is in Franzen's history.  In seeing some of the comments here, I can see why Franzen and the Wings might be hesitant to be honest about his health.  There still seems to be a stigma with some or that somehow he's just not tough enough to overcome it.



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 08:00 AM

God I just hope Holland finally makes a good move and buys him out.





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