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#21 BadgerBob

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:18 AM

This leaves one spot open to one of the above mentioned names (or Glendening but I dont think so;)  If you guys could keep one of MIller, Cleary, Sammy or Eaves who would it be?

 

I'd have to pick Eaves. No good reason why, just like how the kid plays.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:37 AM

The article Dabura posted says it all. Tatar makes this team and everyone he plays with better. He needs more ice time to continue to develop and gain experience/confidence.

Id much rather his speed and ability to make things happen be on the 2nd line than franzen (who i believes career is over).

When Weiss is back id like to see lines 2 and 3 look something like:

Tatar-Weiss-Alfie
Mule-Helm-Abby

 

I think I'm down with Mule on the third line, but, holy jumpin', that is one very smallish, non-physical scoring line. (I believe Weiss is secretly 5'9 and 170-ish. He looks so small on the ice.) It'd be one thing if we had a sure-thing goal-scorer on it (Datsyuk or Zetterberg). But as it is - I mean, the way you have it...I'd worry about that line. I'd almost want to flip it with the third, so Mule - Helm - Abby becomes our second line.

 

Man. So much is riding on Weiss.

 

I'm very fond of my Franzen + Nyquist + Tatar + 1st for Giroux idea, but it looks like Giroux is getting good again, and Holland is emphatically promising NO MORE TRADES. FOREVER. So, yeah.

 

Tatar is pretty much awesome, but I think it's pretty official now that Babs is not his biggest fan in the world.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:48 AM

I honestly think franzen plays better with helm because when helm is on the ice the game is so much faster and such up tempo that it forces him to move his feet and get engaged in the game.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:58 AM

I honestly feel we should make Smith a forward.

 

Zetterberg  Datsyuk  Bertuzzi

Smith  Weiss  Alfredsson

Tatar  Helm  Franzen

Miller  Glendening  Abdelkader


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:34 AM

I honestly feel we should make Smith a forward.


I thought the exact same thing about Ericsson before! I heard that he started as a forward but was moved back to D at some point in his career-I'm sure early on-but I have always thought about it...Smith would probably do really well up there, can't do worse.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:17 PM

I'm just glad that Cleary is finally sitting out

 

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:28 PM

I thought the exact same thing about Ericsson before! I heard that he started as a forward but was moved back to D at some point in his career-I'm sure early on-but I have always thought about it...Smith would probably do really well up there, can't do worse.


You're right with Big Rig; he was drafted as a forward and became our defensive project. Smith normally excels at the offensive side of things. I think its Babcock that has strained him confidence/development wise. When he first came up he played his game a lot more. Nowadays he's stuck trying to analyze where he should be defensively within the structure and its made him start thinking about things. As a defensemen you shouldn't be thinking but rather doing. You need to trust your instincts and make the right move. The more you delay the messier things get.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:30 PM

How long will be keep the line together is the question
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:38 PM

Tatar is scratched for tomorrow.  Cleary is back in....



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

Bertuzzi is effective up there. That may defy logic to some people solve he's "old and slow" but it is what it is. Our top line is set.


In his case it's because he keeps the puck moving fast with his great passing or he's protecting it like a mama bear, which all mostly nullifies his lack of speed.
The guy has the incredible vision, instincts, and skills to line w 13 & 40 as opposed to Abby who just quite didn't have enough .

Plus he adds a major bit of gruff to that line: guys are still intimidated by the old bear.

Tatar is scratched for tomorrow.  Cleary is back in....


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:19 PM

Tatar is scratched for tomorrow.  Cleary is back in....

 

So not only is Tatar not playing...but Cleary is skating again...

 

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:13 PM

I look at Helm the same way I look at Abby. Extremely useful when he can play his role. Abby is awful as a top-six forward. Helm cannot be a second-line center. Put these guys in their proper role. I know we don't want to, but we have to split Pav and Hank up until Weiss comes back. That second line may create a few chances but they won't finish. If Alfie isn't putting it in the net on that line, no one will be able to.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:12 PM

I honestly feel we should make Smith a forward.

 

Zetterberg  Datsyuk  Bertuzzi

Smith  Weiss  Alfredsson

Tatar  Helm  Franzen

Miller  Glendening  Abdelkader

 

Whoops, forgot about Andersson. And Nyquist.

 

Gonna have to give this some thought now.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:18 AM

 

Whoops, forgot about Andersson. And Nyquist.

 

Gonna have to give this some thought now.

 

 Lose Miller & Glendening and you're good!


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:10 AM

if only we could get nyquist up and make the lines for babs then this team would be successful.

Z-dats- Bert
Nyquist- Weiss- alfy
Tatar- helm- mule
Abdelkader- Anderson- miller

I dunno about you guys but I think that's a pretty good looking forward group. If someone struggles on 2nd line there's always the option of moving up Tatar and the mule.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:25 AM

The key to the second line is Weiss. We can swap wingers (and have) but it will never succeed until he starts producing more.

It may be time to split Datsyuk and Zetterberg up.

Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Zetterberg-Weiss-Alfredsson

It might work.

And Dabura, why slot Smith on the second line? I agree he might be more useful as a forward, but as a fourth liner.
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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:30 AM

The key to the second line is Weiss. We can swap wingers (and have) but it will never succeed until he starts producing more.

It may be time to split Datsyuk and Zetterberg up.

Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Zetterberg-Weiss-Alfredsson

It might work.

And Dabura, why slot Smith on the second line? I agree he might be more useful as a forward, but as a fourth liner.


No I can't go another season of watching pav play with both Bert and mule. Yes Weiss is key to the second line and he does need to start producing but I think he would with a hungry nyquist and alfy. If not we would have two other wingers in Tatar and mule to insert in with Weiss. Weiss was starting to look very good before the injury don't be surprised if he starts heating up when he gets back





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