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#81 CMatt89

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:39 PM

 

Why?  Its been one of his most successful tactics.  It got us Ferraro, Tatar and Nestrasil in 2009.  Jurco, Oullet and Sproul in 2011 in what may turn out to be our best draft since 1989.  And this summer, we still got Mantha after trading down, plus Nastasiuk and Nephtuzzi.

 

Just because Kenny re-signed Cleary and can't bring Nyquist up because he screwed the roster up so bad, doesn't mean that everything he does is wrong.

 

I understand where you're coming from, but prospects to the red wings are like old guys to other teams. They really mean nothing until they mean something. 



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:15 PM

But what we do with those extra prospects is a separate issue again.  The tactic of trading mid-late 1st round picks for extra 2nd round picks has proved successful - we have lots of quality young players because of it.

 

The tactic of burying those large numbers of quality young players in the minors is proving un-successful.

 

If we'd kept those mid-late first rounders and not traded down, those mid-late first rounders would still be stuck in the minors. 

 

But hey, at least its brought us a Calder Cup I guess....


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:16 PM

The sad thing is that I have to go see the game tonight knowing that Cleary is in.  Why not hit me up with that info when I'm stuck in my seat at the Joe?

 

Going to games has become an obligation lately.  Especially since I can't remember the last time they won a game at home.

 

I don't know whose blame (Coach or GM) so I'll stick with blaming Quincey.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 02:25 PM

But hey, at least its brought us a Calder Cup I guess....

 

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

BTW t-sauce  is in tonight.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

people are so quick to judge



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:27 PM

people are so quick to judge

 

Quick to judge what? Personnel decisions? It's the same decisions they've always made expecting different results.  It's not like this is something new...


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:35 PM

Tatar back in, Glendening to Grand Rapids.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:37 PM

people are so quick to judge

 

 

I think when I shelled out $$$ for tickets and have to sit through loss after loss, I'm at least entitled to a little complaining.  I love the team but it's not exactly fun sitting at the Joe watching them lose in over time or regular time to teams like Dallas. 

 

And I think we're seeing a pretty significant pattern that's not exactly a snap judgement.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:38 PM

people are so quick to judge


"After being a healthy scratch last game, Daniel Cleary will return to the Wings lineup against the Washington Capitals Friday, replacing Tomas Tatar.

When I looked at our lineup (Tuesday) I thought that was a spot I felt we could have been better so he gets an opportunity to watch, Wings coach Mike Babcock said. Hell get back in."

That was from George Malik

You're right. I have no idea how anyone could ever interpret that to mean that Babcock was planning to sit tatar.

Edited by The Greek, 15 November 2013 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:58 PM

"After being a healthy scratch last game, Daniel Cleary will return to the Wings lineup against the Washington Capitals Friday, replacing Tomas Tatar.

When I looked at our lineup (Tuesday) I thought that was a spot I felt we could have been better so he gets an opportunity to watch, Wings coach Mike Babcock said. Hell get back in."

That was from George Malik

You're right. I have no idea how anyone could ever interpret that to mean that Babcock was planning to sit tatar.

 

So Babcock wants Tatar to be more like Cleary.  Oh God.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 05:05 PM

It's getting tougher by the day to defend Babcock. He did wonders last season with the makeshift roster Holland put together, but this team is better and he's completely misusing his players.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:13 PM

I give up.
 
EDIT:  You might want to look at this:
 
Tatar: 11 GP, 2 G, 1 A +1, 10% shooting accuracy, generates scoring chances and provides speed.
Cleary: 18 GP, 1 G, 2 A +1, 4% shooting accuracy, slow, falls down, loses the puck, never generates anything, usually breaks up his own offensive play.
 
Which do you think addresses our needs more? Regardless of whether Tatar hasn't looked great, benching isn't going to help.  We need to just ice a consistent team so they can generate chemistry.  All players go through rough patches.  Tatar's sub-par handful of games is better than Cleary's two years.


Cleary's average time on ice is higher too and he's had more top 6 time. Just to hammer the point home. Tatar is much more the player we need. Cleary's time has passed.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:14 PM

I heard today that Tatar will actually be in tonight in Glendenning's place. So, good news for sure.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:01 PM

Tatar is making the most of his opportunity tonight...



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:06 PM

Edit GODDAMN WRONG THREAD

So...glad Tots is in for Cleary lol

Edited by BottleOfSmoke, 15 November 2013 - 09:08 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:25 PM

Tatar played great tonight. Babs needs to F off with benching him.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:38 PM

Cleary isn't the hugest issue on the team right now but I still have daydreams about someone Nancy Kerrigan-ing him to LTIR.  Yeah I'm a bad person, I know, but I can't stand to see that stupid #71 falling down all the time. 



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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:24 AM

Tatar apparently only played because Alfredsson was injured. And I bet he'll sit one of the next few games, too. Enough rotating of players. Cleary hurts the team, and Sammy has been fairly neutral. Not good, and not helpful, but he's not hurting. We've played enough to start rolling with a consistent roster.
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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:46 AM

Tatar apparently only played because Alfredsson was injured. And I bet he'll sit one of the next few games, too. Enough rotating of players. Cleary hurts the team, and Sammy has been fairly neutral. Not good, and not helpful, but he's not hurting. We've played enough to start rolling with a consistent roster.

 

Tatar was put in the lineup when they sent Glendening down yesterday afternoon.  Scratching Alfredsson left them with only 11 forwards for the game.  I did hear Mick say Tatar was in for Alfredsson, but that was incorrect.







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