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#21 cusimano_brothers

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:12 PM

His "system" of getting to the shootout so that Bertuzzi can score isn't working out.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:15 PM

Fire Babcock hire laviolette!

 We have Tom Renney who is a fantastic coach. I have been saying this for a year now, that Babcock needs to go. His message is lost, and his line combinations are just ridiculous. Looking today at the practice news to see that he has put Dan Cleary on the top line with Pavel is just a slap in the face to all of the other Red Wings players that have played far better then Cleary. Cleary does not even deserve a spot on this team, let alone the top line. Ken Holland didn't want to re-sign Cleary- - Babcock wanted it and look at how its working for you Babs. 

 

Kenny needs to send a message that this amount of losing is unacceptable. Unfortunately, he will never fire Babcock this year because of the Olympics. But this is just absolutely ridiculous. 



#23 cnot19

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:16 PM

 We have Tom Renney who is a fantastic coach. I have been saying this for a year now, that Babcock needs to go. His message is lost, and his line combinations are just ridiculous. Looking today at the practice news to see that he has put Dan Cleary on the top line with Pavel is just a slap in the face to all of the other Red Wings players that have played far better then Cleary. Cleary does not even deserve a spot on this team, let alone the top line. Ken Holland didn't want to re-sign Cleary- - Babcock wanted it and look at how its working for you Babs. 
 
Kenny needs to send a message that this amount of losing is unacceptable. Unfortunately, he will never fire Babcock this year because of the Olympics. But this is just absolutely ridiculous. 


I forgot about renney. I agree he is a good coach, also a great guy. Got to meet him when he was with the rangers
Get me a real fourth line Kenny!

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:26 PM

Only beef I have with Babs is probably his constant line juggling.

 

 We have Tom Renney who is a fantastic coach

 

Ken Holland didn't want to re-sign Cleary- - Babcock wanted it and look at how its working for you Babs. 

 

 

Agree with the first statement but he second statement I don't think we can know who wanted Cleary it doesn't really matter. Holland offered the contract and he's the GM even if it was Babcock that was pushing for him he's not the one to make that decision. If Holland signed him for the sake of Babcock wanting him then Holland is still a bad GM he should be wearing the pants around the office.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

This year for me is showing Babcock's system is no longer working.  Even Apple fired Steve Jobs in his first stint the company, and he founded it!....so let's cut through the crap about people being untouchable.  We've had dismal playoff performance last few years, barely making the playoffs, scoring is dropping, terrible on the PP.  Now 7 straight losses...folks Babcock's time has come.  It's no long working whatever he has in mind.  North American hockey with the Swedish Olympic team?  Not working.

 

When you look at stats, Mike Lewis had a higher win percentage, he was let go.  Babs inherited the machine from Scotty and Jimmy D., but if you look at the performance in measurable stats, we do worse every year.  We blamed our 2nd/3rd line players as not giving the support we need, turns out Hudler, Kopecky, Filpula are flourishing in a different system, producing way more points then here.  We replaced them with other players, Weiss is suffocating here.  Why? 

 

Case in point Samuellson.  In his first stint with Detroit he's averaging 40 pts a game, he goes to Vancouver, 50...comes back to Detroit, now nothing. 

 

We have so much scoring firepower, how is it that scoring goals is a problem?

 

It's the system, plain and simple, it doesn't work anymore.  I don't even know what system we have when Cleary is on the top line, and we have line changes every night that make no sense.  I don't care how smart of a coach he is, we are not getting results.  Even Apple fired Steve Jobs once....so let's cut through the crap about people being untouchable.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 04:11 PM

we should hire the griffins coach as our head coach.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:35 PM

Babs performance: D

 

This team could finish bottom in the division and Babs would still say the same one-liners.

 

We need a new coach or an offensive specialist or something.  This team has talented forwards but no system that clicks.  Also, Babs randomly changing lines with no rhyme or reason for years seems to impact the players chemistry...



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:32 PM

 We have Tom Renney who is a fantastic coach. I have been saying this for a year now, that Babcock needs to go. His message is lost, and his line combinations are just ridiculous. Looking today at the practice news to see that he has put Dan Cleary on the top line with Pavel is just a slap in the face to all of the other Red Wings players that have played far better then Cleary. Cleary does not even deserve a spot on this team, let alone the top line. Ken Holland didn't want to re-sign Cleary- - Babcock wanted it and look at how its working for you Babs. 

 

Kenny needs to send a message that this amount of losing is unacceptable. Unfortunately, he will never fire Babcock this year because of the Olympics. But this is just absolutely ridiculous. 

 

This has been repeated more and more here lately.  Is there some source on this? 

 

Babcock obviously likes Cleary as a player but I'm wondering if there was an article referring to Holland not wanting Cleary and Babcock did.  Because it doesn't ring true.

 

If Holland didn't want to re-sign Cleary, why would he have offered him a 3 year deal in June?  Babcock doesn't have that kind of influence over Kenny that he'd offer a 3 year deal to a player he didn't want to re-sign.

 

“We think we’re a better team with Clears,'' Holland said. “He’s a versatile on the wing, he’s good in the locker room. In the end, he flew up (Wednesday) to meet with (coach Mike Babcock) and I at the airport and his message was he wanted to be a Red Wing and he wanted to work with us.

 

He added, “Over the last 72 hours as this thing as heated up and Dan Cleary wanted to make a decision … we all felt we’re a better team with Dan Cleary and we’ll sort this out.''

 

 

http://kuklaskorner....-signing-cleary

 

"We would have loved to have signed him back," Holland said Tuesday. "We tried to sign him prior to July 5 (and the start of free agency). We made him an offer and that moved a little bit but ultimately it wasn't anywhere near where he wanted it to be.

 

 

http://www.mlive.com...aniel_clea.html



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:47 PM

 

This has been repeated more and more here lately.  Is there some source on this? 

 

Babcock obviously likes Cleary as a player but I'm wondering if there was an article referring to Holland not wanting Cleary and Babcock did.  Because it doesn't ring true.

 

If Holland didn't want to re-sign Cleary, why would he have offered him a 3 year deal in June?  Babcock doesn't have that kind of influence over Kenny that he'd offer a 3 year deal to a player he didn't want to re-sign.

 

 

http://kuklaskorner....-signing-cleary

 

 

http://www.mlive.com...aniel_clea.html

And thanks to Dan Cleary making our team better Tootoo and Eaves lost their jobs and Nyquist sat in GR. How can Holland justify that.


Edited by dirtydangles, 20 November 2013 - 06:47 PM.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


#30 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

And thanks to Dan Cleary making our team better Tootoo and Eaves lost their jobs and Nyquist sat in GR. How can Holland justify that.

 

 

In the strongest version of this team, Tootoo and Eaves should be off the roster but I agree Nyquist has been serious collateral damage.  He's the victim of his contract status and Holland.



#31 Z Winged Dangler

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:32 PM

Babcock has been fireable this year.  Either he needs to fall out of love with Cleary, or they can both leave and take Kenny with them.


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Dan Cleary is an Xbox 360.  While good for a while, it's time for the new generation to take over.


#32 Rivalred

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:44 PM

Team needs Viagra, plain n simple
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:47 PM

Maybe we could just get Dave Dombrowski to GM both teams.  He apparently just traded Prince Fielder for Ian Kinsler.  Obviously that guy isn't afraid to pull the string.


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 09:26 PM

Maybe we could just get Dave Dombrowski to GM both teams.  He apparently just traded Prince Fielder for Ian Kinsler.  Obviously that guy isn't afraid to pull the string.

hes such a "do'er". the opposite of holland.



#35 dirtydangles

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:02 PM

At least babs changes things up when they are going poorly - holland just rolls with the same stale roster as always. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


#36 wings87

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:58 PM

Babcock is a great coach stuck with a suspect team. Just look at what he did last year with a compromised roster. I still think he is the right man for the job.

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