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#121 Playmaker

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:43 AM

 

I've not seen that anywhere else.

 

Fortunately, he can still be waived.

We don't know that.  It could be a no movement clause, which wouldn't allow him to be sent to the minors.

A no-move clause means a player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent. This does not protect the player from a buyout.

 

This is how capgeek defines a no movement clause.  They do not distinguish whether Cleary has a NTC or a NMC.  This could be what he has or it could be a simple NTC.  They could have used a NMC to "entice" him back here. 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:15 PM



We don't know that.  It could be a no movement clause, which wouldn't allow him to be sent to the minors.

 

We do know that; he absolutely doesn't have an NMC. For that matter, nobody on the team does, and very few players in the league as a whole do.

 

This is how capgeek defines a no movement clause.  They do not distinguish whether Cleary has a NTC or a NMC.  This could be what he has or it could be a simple NTC.

 

I'm aware of what an NMC is.

 

Capgeek distinguishes between NTC and NMC. See here for examples; simply scroll your mouse over the various lock icons you see on that page.

 

They could have used a NMC to "entice" him back here.

 

Not a chance.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:26 PM

i like cleary....but his days with us are done.

 

shanny moved on...cheli moved on...holmstrom retired.

 

they all saw the writing on the wall and know its business.

 

not personal.

 

when you sign a guy for the "personal" in mind....you have lost touch with the business.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:37 PM

i like cleary....but his days with us are done.

 

shanny moved on...cheli moved on...holmstrom retired.

 

they all saw the writing on the wall and know its business.

 

not personal.

 

when you sign a guy for the "personal" in mind....you have lost touch with the business.

 

To be fair to Babcock and Holland, Cleary was---while still mediocre---vastly better last season than he is now. He underwent a tremendous decline over the summer. While he should not have been brought back at all, I don't think anyone could have anticipated his presently disastrous state of physical condition.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:38 PM

I don't care how they are doing it, but keeping Nyquist and *not* trading Tatar needs to be on their agenda was top priority. This team is in a transition era now, so sending down a vet might be the only way to achieve the former mentioned priority.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

 
Or to put it another way - after 1 game, he has the same number of goals as Cleary and Miller combined in 45 games.  2 players who didn't need to be re-signed, eating up $3.1M of cap space.
 
Anyway, if Nyquist stays up and continues to perform, what chance he makes Sweden's roster for the Olympics?


I dunno dude, they got this guy Danne Clearstrom the coach and GM just love.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:47 PM

Cleary has no NTC of any kind.

So you have all the "facts"?


 

We do know that; he absolutely doesn't have an NMC. For that matter, nobody on the team does, and very few players in the league as a whole do.

 

 

 

 

I'm aware of what an NMC is.

 

Capgeek distinguishes between NTC and NMC. See here for examples; simply scroll your mouse over the various lock icons you see on that page.

 

 

 

 

Not a chance.

If you had followed your own instructions, you would have seen that Pavel Datsyuk had a No Movement clause.


Edited by Playmaker, 22 November 2013 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:51 PM

 

To be fair to Babcock and Holland, Cleary was---while still mediocre---vastly better last season than he is now. He underwent a tremendous decline over the summer. While he should not have been brought back at all, I don't think anyone could have anticipated his presently disastrous state of physical condition.

 

he was absolute garbage last season.  he got lucky and got some points in the playoffs and all of the sudden people had some talking points as to why he was no longer worthless.

 

he was terrible last season and he's terrible now.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:52 PM

So you have all the "facts"?


If you had followed your own instructions, you would have seen that Pavel Datsyuk had a No Movement clause.

The Calgary Flames alone have 3 players with a NMC.  So I guess they aren't so rare.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:59 PM

So you have all the "facts"?


If you had followed your own instructions, you would have seen that Pavel Datsyuk had a No Movement clause.

 

Yep, you're right about Datsyuk; I was looking at an outdated list of players with NMCs. That said, he is the only player on the team who has one; as of last season, nobody on the team did. With regards to Cleary, I have my doubts as to if Capgeek is correct about his NTC. I can find literally no other source on the Internet that mentions an NTC in Cleary's current contract. More, it would be exceedingly rare for a player to be given an NTC on a one-year contract.

 

There is also the strange fact that you're quoting Capgeek's claim of an NTC for Cleary as fact, and at the same time suggesting that he might actually have an NMC instead.

 

In sum: Cleary might have an NTC. He does not have an NMC.

 

The Calgary Flames alone have 3 players with a NMC.  So I guess they aren't so rare.

 

Here is a list, dated to last season, of players who have NMCs. You'll notice some common themes: none of them (with the strange exceptions of Scottie Upshall, whose clause is limited in an unspecified manner, and Antti Miettinen, who was recently returned from Russia) are scrubs; the majority of those who have them are players considered notably particularly valuable to their respective teams; and only a single player on the Red Wings---widely acknowledged to be the best player on the team---has one. 

 

That said, this is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.


Edited by Crymson, 22 November 2013 - 01:08 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:23 PM

Still not official Nyq is staying.

@AnsarKhanMLive: Babcock said nobody has told him if Nyquist is staying but they're preparing as if he is playing tomorrow. Alfredsson and Weiss remain out.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:41 PM

Never mind he is here to stay.

@AnsarKhanMLive: Wings' Ken Holland said Nyquist will play tomorrow and is here to stay. No other moves needed until DeKeyser comes off LTIR in 4-6 weeks.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:43 PM

Still not official Nyq is staying.

@AnsarKhanMLive: Babcock said nobody has told him if Nyquist is staying but they're preparing as if he is playing tomorrow. Alfredsson and Weiss remain out.

 

Which is a good indication of how much sway Babcock has on these matters.  I'm guessing he's made his feelings about Nyquist known, but even the coach doesn't know his own roster the day before the game.


Never mind he is here to stay.

@AnsarKhanMLive: Wings' Ken Holland said Nyquist will play tomorrow and is here to stay. No other moves needed until DeKeyser comes off LTIR in 4-6 weeks.

Great news!

 

Sad that it took a long term injury to DeKeyser for this to finally happen.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:46 PM

@AnsarKhanMLive: Wings' Ken Holland said Nyquist will play tomorrow and is here to stay. No other moves needed until DeKeyser comes off LTIR in 4-6 weeks.

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:33 PM

Why is it I fully expected to come here to see Nyquist was sent back down?  :ph34r:

 

Glad he's staying around for a while.


Don't take it from fans on LGW, take it from his peers. NHL players have spoken and they think Tootoo is the dirtiest player in the league.

Get a clue already.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:41 PM

Nyquist here to stay? In a man's league?!? What vortex are we in?

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:05 PM

As Mick would say: "BINGO!!"



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:08 PM

Unfortunately babs and co. said for saturdays game theyll roll the same lines from last game...which to everyones absolute dismay means hammer hands, cement skates, useless f*** Dan Cleary will destroy the top line yet again. Ohboy!

Edited by RedWang, 22 November 2013 - 03:13 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:12 PM

Unfortunately babs and co. said theyll roll the same lines from last game...which to everyones absolute dismay means hammer hands, cement skates, useless f*** Dan Cleary will destroy the top line yet again. Ohboy!

 

Great. Just !@#$ing great. I don't know what Babcock is smoking. This is ridiculous. There is not a single forward on the team who would not do better than Dan Cleary on that line. And what's with the talk that Cleary needs to be better? What about the game in which he was scratched? What has he shown by way of improvement since then? Absolutely nothing! And now he's promoted to the first line?

 

I wish one of the guys in the press conference would ask why the single worst forward on the team, one of such limited offensive ability that even the coach---his self-professed biggest fan---does not give him any power play time, is playing with Pavel Datsyuk.

 

Even Samuelsson would be better.


Edited by Crymson, 22 November 2013 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:14 PM

 
Great. Just !@#$ing great. I don't know what Babcock is smoking. This is ridiculous. There is not a single forward on the team who would not do better than Dan Cleary on that line.


At this point im convinced its babs' last hurrah to get him producing. After that i hope they bury him in GR and never plays another NHL game.





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